There is headway being made in the death penalty debate. Recently a person here in Fl, was taken minutes from death. (He got "The Call") And his case that the cocktail used to "put people asleep" causes pain.
If you want a majory irony, how about the general liberal stance of being for abortion but against killing people who have actually commited god awful crimes.
No one is FOR abortion...they are PRO-CHOICE. Big difference. Liberals aren't going around saying "EVERYONE HAVE ABORTIONS!" They are saying that women should have the right to decide what to do with their bodies.
Exactly, and i'd also like to turn madcap's argument on its head. The pro-life belief that it is ethically OK to remove a woman's right to choose to terminate her own 3 month old fetus and systematically terminate a full grown man or woman of 18 years or older is much worse. These hypocritical ideas completely ignore two fundamental biblical sentiments: In regards to abortion: That God gave us free will (and therefore should be free to make moral and ethical choices concerning THEIR OWN lives) In regards to the Death Penalty: THOU SHALL NOT KILL Oh yeah, lets not forget the fact that the bible is now incredibly outdated and often irrelavent to the world as we know it now. So please keep your death penalty arguments secular.
I know a guy who has killed someone beat him to death for no reason at all, just he was in a bad mood, was convicted of manslaughter spent a couple of years in jail and now just laughs about it . also this same person has lots of other violent convictions, weapons charges, robbery, attacking the police, really the law doesnt scare him a bit . If I was a close relative of the man he killed I would kill him myself in some quiet way , because 1 I think justice was not done 2 it is only a matter of time before he kills someone else 3 having someone wandering round boasting about getting away with murdering some innocent person with so little cause is likely to give more people the idea of doing it . if you dont have the death penalty or life meaning life you leave the relatives in the position where they can let what they see as a injustice occur, or have the choice of taking things into their own hands .
Jonny, if the judgements of the legal system are so terribly poor I don't see how you can justify the death penalty. And there are alternatives..life imprisonment, rehabilitation, therapy. The act of systematically terminating every bad seed that comes along is so barbaric..have you ever seen an execution, even on TV?
Some people can't be rehabilitated. My wife's friend is going out with this guy (why I don't know) who has been in prison for the following crimes: 1. Setting light to his best mate (ie pouring petrol on him and lighting a match) 2. Pointing a gun at a police officer 3. Beating someone up in a supermarket because the guy apparently nicked his spot. How can you deal with someone who deliberately sets his best friend on fire. I tell you easy it is to pull that lever. Hatred. Pure hatred can make you do anything
Gary, could i make you hate me so much that you would set me alight? hmmm...new mission for 2006, annoy the fuck out of gazza
Harm a member of my family...... If you harm a member of my family mentally then you get a warning. If you harm a member of my family physically then you are going to get hurt. Rape or Murder a member of my family? Start running because death is the best thing thats going to happen to you
Ok great, support the death penalty, then support the right to murder someone in revenge for the murder of a family member, and YOU get fried. Nice one.
Alway... er... Sometimes those killed like that guy Tookie is actually quite a pointless death especially when people try to turn their lives around and do more good etc.
I think this is where the grey area of the law comes in..... but it is dealt with. If I walk in my house to find a man stabbing my wife and child repeatedly and kill him outright then I could plead self defence. If I knew they were already dead I could plead temporary insanity. If the guy was no longer there, the police arrested and charged him and I went out of my way to kill the guy then yes I am committing murder and should suffer the same death sentence. However if there is a death sentence in place I should be given the option to be the executioner. Revenge, mercy killing, justice, call it what you will. Over here in the uk you can kill someone and be out of prison in under 5 years. That person can kill again. If I were in charge there is no way I'd let that happen.
Pointless? He was convicted of killing 4 people in cold blood! And while in prison, he was involved in attacks on both gaurds and inmates and various escape plots.
Its all about rights theories. Executing somebody for the crime of murder is a far different act than raping and dismembering an 8 year old girl.
Unless you're Family or a Loved One of the Victim. Here's a Thought - make contributions to the Texas legal justice system so the bitching would be justified. Otherwise take it up w/the feds. Background: I'm fed up w/my tax $$$ being used for killers' efforts to skate on technicalities. Conversely I'm fed up w/the legal justice system not doing their tasks properly the first time...
I think one part of the legal system I have a problem with is the appeals process. I accept that from time to time there is injustice and the wrong person gets sent down. For that the person deserves an appeal. The bit I have a problem with is when the person can still appeal 20 years later. Then they get let off because there is no insufficient evidence (because a key witness is no longer around or paper work has gone missing or some bit of evidence may or may not have been tampered with but noone can prove either way). I think the appeals process should be kept but after a certain amount of time a person should not be able to have their case dismissed on grounds of lack of evidence.
wow dude you are truly amazing! "from time to time.... the wrong person gets "sent down" that person deserves an appeal" how long should it be that a person could take to prove his innocenc????? i think you should be convicted of running with sticks!!! they are dangerous you know!! then we can send you "down" and put a time limit on you to prove your "innocence" cause you know that when pepole do this they might put someones eye out!!!!
My point isn't that after 20 years they can't have a retrial but they can't be let off due to lack of evidence as there is obviously a reason for that
