killing in self defence.

Whether it's written in the bible or not, i would think that the love God had for humanity that he chose a human for a vessel so to teach us, i would think it was a sacrifice that he gave the life of Jesus up so that humanity could enter heaven.

I mean to say that God loves us so much, i would think he would rather stay on earth and teach us for ever, but we will not be able to enter heaven with this alone, and so a sacrifice by God had to be made. (my own thoughts of course)

 

thank you!

 

romans 12:19-21

 

Indeed very wise words!

 

And so it is. Jesus said I must go that the comforter may come. The comforter, the holy spirit, "who teaches all things".

 

Indeed, Jesus had to be sacrificed so that we would feel the holy spirit, and accept it.

The love of God is so strong...

 

"I desire mercy, not sacrifice."

 

Jesus wouldn't do it, if you strive to be like Christ just take the hit then go to heaven. Free ice cream on Tuesdays, casual dress Fridays.(with restriction)

 

God does not desire sacrifice from humans, but it's God himself who wanted to sacrifice for us.

 

I don't wish to be like Jesus, but i do try to follow in his example and study Jesus's examples.

I already have ice cream here hehehe :sunny:

 

Again, to sacrifice is to give up what you would prefer to keep.

You do know that what you suggest is a cult of human sacrifice, that is killing humans for the sake of the favor of the gods. No different than killing somebody with the expectation that it will make it rain.

No amount of blood sacrificed can compensate for forgiveness for that which do not forgive, you will not be forgiven for.

I desire mercy, not sacrifice, go and learn what this means.

 

I spent years do crisis intervention in the wild west community of the early Haight among bikers, vets, etc without having to inflict serious injury to anyone even though I more than once faced guns while unarmed.

My martial arts instructor always said that if my skills weren't up to handling whom ever I needed to with gentle control I would use with a child then I had failed and needed to practice/study more.

 

i know what it means.

i said GOD sacrificed his vessel, which was a part of him. God sacrificed himself for us. God does not want US to sacrifice for him, he wanted to sacrifice his vessel. And i already posted my views on why i think God would have wanted to stay on earth in God's vessel, and why it was a sacrifice for God to us.

i mention nothing of humans sacrificing to God, i mention God sacrificing his vessel to humans.

 

This is kind of a no-brainer!! Christian or not....

 

Well there is mixed views in the christian community about this subject, i would like to learn more about this subject and what other christians's views are on this. Ofcourse debates are welcomed in a respectable sense.

 

Thedope,

i mean you no challenge or offence on my response to your post, but i think that you did not understand what i ment by God sacrificing his vessel.

 

Ok.

 

I showed this to my mum, she is a strict catholic.

Her reply was 'Any type of killing, whether it be intended, in self defence, by accident (manslaughter) or as an act of war, is unacceptable, however God is willing to forgive in many circumstances, if you can prove to him that you are worthy of forgiveness..'

 

yes, for example adults lead by example to kids, if an adult shows a good example to a child then the child will want to follow in this good example, but the kid may not want to be like the adult.

learning from an example is different to wanting to be like the person who gave the example.

 

give your mother a thank you for me, i like this response!