Just wondering what you guys think about Ketamine? I know that you can become dependent and that it can really destroy your bladder with excessive use. Do you guys think it's worth even trying? I have the opportunity to try it @ $30/Half Gram. Also, what is the experience like? I hear it's kind of a trip but not necessarily. I've also heard it's more of a downer/dissociative... I've only had experience with Shrooms, LSD, and MDMA. Let me know what you think. Thanks.
It is true it will wreck your bladder with constant use. But if don't use too often you will be OK. K is a very odd, I didn't really like my first experience with it. I took a big line and was not patient enough. So before it hit I decided to do more. Big mistake I probably did 250-500 mg for a first time with no tolerance. I hit the K-hole and really had no idea what was going on. The only thought I could manage was maybe I was dead. But despite this I was left with the desire to do it again. I have done drugs that I did not like and after it was over that was it. I didn't want to do it anymore, it was not my thing. But K was different. I kept thinking maybe I didn't do it right I need to come back to it. The mental desire to use again was strong for a few days then I went back to not really thinking about it much. I can really see how people get addicted to it. I have used coke and other "addictive" things and nothing was not like K. I used K again in a smaller dose (after a few weeks when I was not craving) and it was more pleasant. The mind fuck of forgetting what is going on is still there but I was able to find something a little more psychedelic in it. The experience was not overwhelming and I could sit back and take it all in. Kind of like how taking 3 hits of LSD might be better then 30. Less is more in some cases. The trip from K comes from your brain and body being disconnected from one another. Your brain is left with only itself to communicate with so it is a "trip" but not like LSD at all. That first trip I mentioned was hell when it happened but now I am glad I did it. I saw and felt things I never would have otherwise I just needed some time to process it all. If you have the chance to try K do it. $60 is a not a bad price for a gram in the USA and K is really rare here. It has been one of the harder drugs for me to find.
Ketamine is a dissociative... I can't deny that a full blown K-hole is a fascinating state of mental awareness but in good conscience, particularly considering your age, I can't recommend that you try it. Ketamine does have a very addictive, dark allure to it. It's not physically addictive in the sense that say heroin is but it compels many to seek it out and if you can't find it then you'll likely want to find similar drugs to pacify. (I'm actually on MXE as I type this, a near ketamine analogue) I was introduced to needles through ketamine... Lower doses of ketamine are kind of like a weird drunkeness but the 'K-hole' is usually a state that renders you pretty much immobile and thrusts you into some fascinating inner psychedelic dimensions. The allure of Ketamine for those of us who enjoy it is that unlike LSD or shrooms, you have practically no fear or anxiety when venturing into these experiences as your fight of flight response is basically shut down and the dimensions are so abstract and incomprehensible that there is not really any 'anchors' in consensual reality which may make you have a bad trip in the same way. Basically you get an experience that's easier than MDMA and which can make you potentially trip harder than LSD...Sounds amazing right!? but Ketamine is an anesthetic and some people don't enjoy being anesthetized and out of their head in that way. Same deal with other synthetics too, Ketamine can be cut and all that. If dissociative drugs interest you, I personally recommend you go down to the grocery store and get some Robotussin Cough gels and take about 300-500 mgs of a DXM only formula. Ketamine is much better than DXM but I think that kind of dissociative 'initiation' would be good for you to see if these are drugs that you really want to pursue. If you decide to ignore my warnings, then I suggest you try a K-hole dose like 200-250 mgs after a rave or something in a calm, comfortable setting with a trip sitter looking over you.
Ketamine is my favorite drug i ever did. While i really love the altered state of lsd i dont like coming down from it. K never gave me any ill affects during (though i was on the edge of doing too much one time) or after it was over. It was just like oh im sober now...some more would be nice. As much as i would love to get it again i dont turn to other drugs like bedlam mentioned....well beer but i was drinking that before during and after all my k trips. The only thing about recomending it is i dont know if you would do too much or too little so just because i liked it dosnt mean you will.
Thanks for the input guys. I think I'm going to start with a small dose and see how it goes. I'm interested in the K-Hole but it seems a little formidable... Is it the same sort of concept as breaking through on DMT or what? I mean I know they're completely different drugs but how do they differ? It probably sounds like a dumb question, but I'm just trying to get a feeling of what the K-Hole is like.
There are some vague, mostly ineffable similarities with K-holes and Breakthrough DMT trips but its significantly different. DMT feels like a propulsion through hyperspace with some remotely familiar landmarks of the the tryptamine variety vis a vis LSD and Mushrooms. Ketamine is a mechanical quicksand of abstract automation. Perception and emotion seems to become disengaged so that you can process something without necessarily having to connect with it in any meaningful way. Now you can invoke emotion into the experience and it can be quite overwhelming even but it seems more arbitrary, like you could just as easily substitute another emotion in the instant. The emotions and perceptions of DMT on the other hand seem entagled, as if there is no other way for which those dimensions could exist.
without getting too deep into it, k always made me think of what it would be like to get completely hammered on alcohol but without the...you know having to drink for hours, and without the nauseousness of drinking too much. and without the hangover. and without being full(like beer would make you) thats just me though. i think thats maybe because thats my best point of reference.
Up to the K hole, that's pretty much it for me too.. except the whole world got very drunk with me. I find ketamine to have a strange sense of humour as well, it never really did it for me until I clicked with it and it just became this crazy, weird little ridiculously happy time that seemed to last for ages.. I can definitely see the potential for addiction. It's like an off switch for reality.. a really really fun one. Awesome
Thanks for the input. I'm having a little difficulty fully understanding so I guess I'll have to try it and see. I've only taken doses of psychedelics where reality is still very imminent, except for a time with mushrooms, and I have a lot of difficulty integrating that experience or even really thinking about what it was. I guess I'll wait and see how it is if I decide to K hole.
Well with your usual psychedelics, the experience can be described as an intimate re-introduction to the universe.. ketamine is like closing the door on it and shutting all the blinds.
Thats funny. The time i k-holed i was real hot so i ran to the window to cool off. Then went back to the couch. Then back to the window. Then after i am guessing the third time i started asking my friend if i was just at the window. There was like a twenty minute conversation about windows and how i needed them on k. (just that time though) yeah so i dont remember if the blinds were down but the window was open.
So everything is kind of new? Like I wouldn't be contemplating my life problems or getting new perspective on my situations in reality?
this is why i said i cant recommend it. i only used it as a party drug. if your looking for some philosophical experience i dont know if its for you. i guess its possible but that wasnt the environment i was in when i used it
You might face death(psychologically) when you K-Hole, that's always something that's pretty hectic.. but it's kinda jaded cos you feel so intoxicated. I can't place any spiritual value on it, cos it was a party drug for me too, but I know there's a lot of interest in using it as an anti-depressant of sorts.. I think Mr. Writer's doing something with that, at least, I think I think. Someone here is. It's not you is it GB? Fuck knows, give it a try at some stage anyway and write back home
No I'm not looking for a spiritual experience, I was just trying to understand what the K hole is like. It would most likely be a party drug for me too, in a rave environment. Although if I were to K hole I wouldn't. I was just responding to the "it's like closing all the doors on the universe and shutting the blinds" which to me sounds like the K hole is not going to be really anything familiar to your everyday life. I may have misunderstood the analogy.
Nope, that's pretty much it But neither is the usual psychedelic experience, the difference being that you're very aware of external stimuli. Ketamine's dulls your senses(being an anesthetic), along with all sorts of other crazy shit that I know nothing about, but essentially it isolates your mind from external stimuli.. hence the term dissociative(I guess). I'd call traditional psychs super-associatives in contrast.
It sounds really interesting... On another note, do you have a recommendation for dosage? Erowid has a chart based on weight saying about .3 mg/lb is common .5mg/lb is strong, and 1mg/lb is K hole. Would you agree with this? I was surprised to see dosages by weight but I guess that makes sense considering it's an anesthetic.
No I have not done any reports or studies on Ketamine. I've only tried to rave on ketamine once and I was on Ecstasy too at the time. I find that some of the affects were kind of at odds with each other and the ketamine sort of detracted from the MDMA experience. I more or less felt in my own bubble and senses were altered but kind of dulled as well, not really as fascinated with things as I tend to be on MDMA alone or in combination with traditional psychs. I find particularly with MDMA, a K- hole dose at the end of the experience much more effective and intersting, the Ketamine masks any comedown of the MDMA and the remaining softened headspace from the MDMA boosts the Ketamine potency. MeatyMushroom's analogy is more-or-less accurate, I would only add that your mind then attempts to fill that void of deprived sensory of the outside world. I mentioned the experience is ineffable, meaning difficult to put into words, it's hard to make analogies to these type of things when the experience itself is seemingly so unreal but if you haven't had the experience itself then only everday anchors of consensual reality are the best at which one can attempt to relay the experience to you through. Psychonaut D.M. Turner provided some good descriptions of the K hole, however ketamine ultimately lead to his literal death as well, drowned in the bathtub while on it. http://www.lavondyss.com/donut/guide/ketamine.html Dosage by weight may be a good initial recommendation erring on the side of caution but tolerance can develop extremely rapidly with Ketamine and with how frequently some people use it, it is not uncommon for some needing to double their dose to reach the same level of effects within a brief time frame. If you are snorting Ketamine, I'd say 75-100 mgs is a good dose range for initial sub K-hole explorations. I generally recommend around 200 mgs if you are aiming for K-hole experiences but your weight + 50 mgs might do. Some people vomit from Ketamine too and at least initially you may want a trip sitter present, particularly with larger doses.
when my dog was neutered the vet used ket to sedate him. I don't like ket cuz I didn't like the experience yet I wanted to do more. When I was in the k- hole I felt like my soul was being devoured by a dark, evil force... and I remember looking into the mirror on ket.. I looked so retarded.. mouth slightly open, strange look in the eyes.. not my kinda drug, as addictive as coke. maybe more.. btw.. you are paying too much. in eu it's usually 15 $ /g. if you got a good source.
oh btw... there are 2 kinda ket. racemic and s- isomer. the s isomer is the more visual. thats what you want.
