Kavanaugh Nomination

fraggle_rock · Sep 30, 2018

NotMyRealName said: ↑

Kellyanne Conway: 'I'm a victim of sexual assault'

She will be accused of lying in 3 2 1....

I'm sure she feels it was her Civic duty to report this.
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I doubt she is lying... it happens a lot.
But she isn't above using it to her/Trump's advantage.

NotMyRealName · Sep 30, 2018

MeAgain said: ↑

As I said this was a compromise. The only reason the Republicans are allowing any investigation at all is they realize how bad they look.
It's not a gift it's a political consideration by the Republicans.

I don't like the deal, but I accept it as better than nothing, same as the Democrats. They know if they turn it down the Republicans will crow about how they were willing to launch an investigation and the Democrats declined, even though the terms suck.
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Yet they whine afterwords and demand it be changed.

NotMyRealName · Sep 30, 2018

fraggle_rock said: ↑

I doubt she is lying... it happens a lot.
But she isn't above using it to her/Trump's advantage.
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And Dr Ford is different how?

Meliai · Sep 30, 2018

fraggle_rock said: ↑

The disgusting pigs at Fox News are now comparing attempted rape to everyday interactions between children:

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It is amazing the lengths people will go to downplay sexual assault

NotMyRealName · Sep 30, 2018

Meliai said: ↑

It is amazing the lengths people will go to downplay sexual assault
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It's amazing how they can use it for political gain.

6-eyed shaman · Sep 30, 2018

fraggle_rock · Sep 30, 2018

NotMyRealName said: ↑

And Dr Ford is different how?
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She doesn't defend or protect people who commit it.
She also doesn't lie for a living, and took a polygraph as proof.

6-eyed shaman · Sep 30, 2018

One of the many things that puzzles me about this, is why would some girl of college age like Swetnick go to highschool parties?

Meliai · Sep 30, 2018

NotMyRealName said: ↑

It's amazing how they can use it for political gain.
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You would either have to not believe Ford
Or not care that Kavanaugh is a sexual predator
To think this is even relevant.
Just because some are exploiting this for political gain (which really doesnt make sense anyways, the next appointment will be Trump's either way) doesnt take away from the fact that a sexual predator should not sit on the Supreme Court

fraggle_rock · Sep 30, 2018

6-eyed shaman said: ↑

One of the many things that puzzles me about this, is why would some girl of college age go to highschool parties?
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Huh?
She was 15 at the time.
Kavanaugh was 17.

It doesn't surprise me that you didn't even look up the facts before leaping to conclusions.

Christine Blasey Ford - Wikipedia

In a letter to Feinstein, Ford alleged that Kavanaugh had sexually assaulted her when both were in high school, and stated that she expected her story to be kept confidential.[10][23] In August, Ford took a polygraph test with a former FBI agent, who concluded Ford was being truthful when attesting to the accuracy of her allegations.[10]

Owing to her confidentiality commitment to Ford,[24] Feinstein did not raise the issue in the initial Kavanaugh confirmation proceedings.[25] On September 12, The Intercept reported (without naming Ford) that Feinstein was withholding a Kavanaugh-related document from fellow Judiciary Committee Democrats.[26] Feinstein then referred Ford's letter to the FBI, which redacted Ford's name and forwarded the letter to the White House[10] as an update to Kavanaugh's background check.[27] The White House in turn sent the letter to the full Senate Judiciary Committee.[10]

Senator Dick Durbin asks Christine Blasey Ford about her certainty of Brett Kavanaugh's identity in the alleged 1982 attack.

On September 16, after media reported anonymous allegations and reporters started to track down her identity, Ford went public.[28] Ford had wrestled with the choice to make her identity known, weighing the potential negative impact it could have on her,[29][30] but ultimately spoke to The Washington Post, alleging that Kavanaugh had sexually assaulted her in the summer of 1982 when she was 15 and he was 17.[31][32][33] She said that, while his friend Mark Judge watched, Kavanaugh, intoxicated, held her down on a bed with his body, grinding against and groping her, covering her mouth when she tried to scream and trying to pull her clothes off.[34][35] Finding it hard to breathe, she thought Kavanaugh was accidentally (her emphasis) going to kill her.[4] She recounted escaping when Judge jumped on the bed and toppled them.[10] As corroboration of her account, Ford provided The Post with the polygraph as well as session notes from her couples therapist written in 2012.[10]

The therapist's notes do not name Kavanaugh but record Ford's claim of being attacked by students "from an elitist boys' school" who went on to become "highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington". The therapist's notes also say four boys were involved, which Ford attributed to an error by the therapist; Ford said in 2018 that four boys were at the party but only two were involved in the incident.[10] Ford's husband recalled that she had used Kavanaugh's last name in her 2012 description of the incident.[10] In an individual therapy session in 2013, Ford described a "rape attempt" that occurred in her late teens.[10] Kavanaugh and Judge both denied Ford's allegations.[36] Attorneys Debra Katz, Lisa Blanks and Michael Bromwich represent Ford pro bono[3] in the process of going public with her statements about Kavanaugh.[11][28][37] She was assisted in preparing her testimony by Democratic adviser Ricki Seidman, who prepared Anita Hill for her testimony against Clarence Thomas during his 1991 Supreme Court nomination hearings.[38][39]

On September 18, Ford's attorneys sent a letter to Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley requesting that the FBI investigate the incident before the Senate holds a hearing on Ford's allegations to "ensure that the crucial facts and witnesses in this matter are assessed in a non-partisan manner, and that the Committee is fully informed before conducting any hearing or making any decisions." The letter additionally noted the significant public support Ford had received, but also severe harassment including death threats, forcing her to leave her home.[40] The same day, a crowdfunding campaign was created to defray Ford's security costs, surpassing its $100,000 goal in less than 24 hours.[41]
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MeAgain · Sep 30, 2018

Code of conduct for United States Judges

Canon 1: A Judge Should Uphold the Integrity and Independence of the Judiciary
An independent and honorable judiciary is indispensable to justice in our society. A judge should maintain and enforce high standards of conduct and should personally observe those standards, so that the integrity and independence of the judiciary may be preserved. The provisions of this Code should be construed and applied to further that objective.
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I believe Kavanaugh's accusation of a conspiracy by Democrats and the Clinton's applies here. And he clearly believes the White House must be protected by the Supreme Court, not that the Supreme Court is an independent entity.

Canon 2: A Judge Should Avoid Impropriety and the Appearance of Impropriety in all Activities
(A) Respect for Law. A judge should respect and comply with the law and should act at all times in a manner that promotes public confidence in the integrity and impartiality of the judiciary.
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First as to the law, that is what is being questioned. Second, as above, he doesn't believe the judiciary is impartial. He would not state that fact when interviewed. He thinks the U.S. v. Nixon decision was wrong.

“Nixon took away the power of the president to control information in the executive branch by holding that the courts had power and jurisdiction to order the president to disclose information in response to a subpoena sought by a subordinate executive branch official.” ~ Kavanaugh....In other words, a president should not have to answer to employees, including lawyers in the special counsel’s office.
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(B) Outside Influence. A judge should not allow family, social, political, financial, or other relationships to influence judicial conduct or judgment. A judge should neither lend the prestige of the judicial office to advance the private interests of the judge or others nor convey or permit others to convey the impression that they are in a special position to influence the judge. A judge should not testify voluntarily as a character witness.
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One word, Trump.

(C) Nondiscriminatory Membership. A judge should not hold membership in any organization that practices invidious discrimination on the basis of race, sex, religion, or national origin.
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Canon 3: A Judge Should Perform the Duties of the Office Fairly, Impartially and Diligently
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And I'm going to skip some here for the sake of brevity. Check out the source.

(3) A judge should be patient, dignified, respectful, and courteous to litigants, jurors, witnesses, lawyers, and others with whom the judge deals in an official capacity. A judge should require similar conduct of those subject to the judge’s control, including lawyers to the extent consistent with their role in the adversary process.
(4) A judge should accord to every person who has a legal interest in a proceeding, and that person’s lawyer, the full right to be heard according to law.
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Watch the latest hearing. Remember he didn't want Ford to testify.
And I'll just list a few more:

(C) Disqualification.

(1) A judge shall disqualify himself or herself in a proceeding in which the judge’s impartiality might reasonably be questioned, including but not limited to instances in which:
(e) the judge has served in governmental employment and in that capacity participated as a judge (in a previous judicial position), counsel, advisor, or material witness concerning the proceeding or has expressed an opinion concerning the merits of the particular case in controversy.
Canon 5: A Judge Should Refrain from Political Activity
(C) Other Political Activity. A judge should not engage in any other political activity.
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NotMyRealName · Sep 30, 2018

fraggle_rock said: ↑

She doesn't defend or protect people who commit it.
She also doesn't lie for a living, and took a polygraph as proof.
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So you are or are not accusing her of lying? First she isn't but now she is?

6-eyed shaman · Sep 30, 2018

Fake victims only succeed in hurting real victims.

fraggle_rock said: ↑

Huh?
She was 15 at the time.
Kavanaugh was 17.

It doesn't surprise me that you didn't even look up the facts before leaping to conclusions.

Christine Blasey Ford - Wikipedia
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I meant Julie Swetnick

She graduated HS in 1980, Kavanaugh graduated in '83. That means that in '82 she was college aged, and attending highschool parties were gang rape was taking place. Why the hell would a college girl do this? She reportedly went to these kinds of parties 10 times. If you go to parties knowing that rape is taking place and fail to report it, then get assaulted yourself, you're not a victim, you're an accomplice.

NotMyRealName · Sep 30, 2018

fraggle_rock said: ↑

Huh?
She was 15 at the time.
Kavanaugh was 17.

It doesn't surprise me that you didn't even look up the facts before leaping to conclusions.

Christine Blasey Ford - Wikipedia
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Ummm...it says Swetnik, not Ford.

Just saying.

fraggle_rock · Sep 30, 2018

NotMyRealName said: ↑

So you are or are not accusing her of lying? First she isn't but now she is?
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That doesn't even make sense.
I said Kellyanne probably isn't lying about the sexual assault.

She does however lie for a living and is morally and ethically corrupt enough to use her own assault as a political weapon to protect someone who she knows has committed sexual assault.

NotMyRealName · Sep 30, 2018

Meliai said: ↑

You would either have to not believe Ford
Or not care that Kavanaugh is a sexual predator
To think this is even relevant.
Just because some are exploiting this for political gain (which really doesnt make sense anyways, the next appointment will be Trump's either way) doesnt take away from the fact that a sexual predator should not sit on the Supreme Court
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Lots of assumptions being made here in this post. You are both suggesting that I either don't believe Ford or I am supporting a sexual predator. Brilliant.

I am doing neither. But thanks for your assertions.

NotMyRealName · Sep 30, 2018

fraggle_rock said: ↑

That doesn't even make sense.
I said Kellyanne probably isn't lying about the sexual assault.

She does however lie for a living and is morally and ethically corrupt enough to use her own assault as a political weapon to protect someone who she knows has committed sexual assault.
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Gotcha.

fraggle_rock · Sep 30, 2018

6-eyed shaman said: ↑

Fake victims only succeed in hurting real victims.

I meant Julie Swetnick

She graduated HS in 1980, Kavanaugh graduated in '83. That means that in '82 she was college aged, and attending highschool parties were gang rape was taking place. Why the hell would a college girl do this? She reportedly went to these kinds of parties 10 times. If you go to parties knowing that rape is taking place and fail to report it, then get assaulted yourself, you're not a victim, you're an accomplice.
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So you think the entire story falls apart because it's ridiculous to believe that a college age girl would go to a high school party?

I know my high school girlfriend was 2 years younger than I was... it's not like a taboo or anything.

Meliai · Sep 30, 2018

NotMyRealName said: ↑

Lots of assumptions being made here in this post. You are both suggesting that I either don't believe Ford or I am supporting a sexual predator. Brilliant.

I am doing neither. But thanks for your assertions.
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i'm not assuming anything about you personally
I am just following logical thought in a general sort of way. you as in the general you.

NotMyRealName · Sep 30, 2018

MeAgain said: ↑

Code of conduct for United States Judges

I believe Kavanaugh's accusation of a conspiracy by Democrats and the Clinton's applies here. And he clearly believes the White House must be protected by the Supreme Court, not that the Supreme Court is an independent entity.
First as to the law, that is what is being questioned. Second, as above, he doesn't believe the judiciary is impartial. He would not state that fact when interviewed. He thinks the U.S. v. Nixon decision was wrong.

One word, Trump.

And I'm going to skip some here for the sake of brevity. Check out the source.
Watch the latest hearing. Remember he didn't want Ford to testify.
And I'll just list a few more:
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Excellent. Your on board then that no judge should be politically biased. Right? Just wanna get your position clearly understood. Let's start with Canon 1 to adhere to the brevity approach. You're on board with the verbage of C1. No moral disputes for you in it's intent?

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