JWH-018 Nightmare

It's very stupid to wish any drug becoming illegal. I'm not really interested in JWH's but some people use it for their own reasons and have right to smoke it as much as they want. Yeah, it's sad that weed is illegal but making illegal other things that make you stoned is not helping anyone so fuck of.

 

Instead of starting a new thread, I thought i'd just post here.
I haven't read the whole thing yet, just the beginning and end.

I have some experience with jwh-018, and would say it feels very close to the real deal.
However I noticed the line between "kind of stoned" and "holy-fuck I didn't know I could get this high!" is pretty thin.
I even had one experience that I must have dosed way too much,
It was like a threshold-dose DMT flashback right before my eyes.
Only loaded with anxiety and paranoia.
I have read of similar reactions before and ignored all paranoia I was experiencing, and was alright.
I did experience a racing heart which I put down to the amount of anxiety present.
It was nothing serious and if I ignored the paranoia I knew my life was never in any danger.
I would say it is fairly physically safe short-term in my experience.
Carcinogens aside!
I noticed it's much easier on my lungs than pot due to vaporization of a pure chemical, not burning harsh plant matter.
(It should be noted; I have a fairly high cannabinoid tolerance, even more-so after trying synthetic cannabinoids, you've been warned!)

I agree with you, no drug should be illegal. It only creates markets for criminal organizations to profit from.
They'll supply shitty cut, possibly dangerous substances for the sole purpose of profit.
Arresting one dealer only creates the job opportunity for another!
If one drug is made illegal, a substitute will always be found,
at the risk of being possibly more dangerous and harmful than the original.

 

Yeh thats the problem though, it isn't just getting people "stoned" its putting people in hospital, sending them crazy. I would agree with you actually that everyone does have the right to take whatever they want and make there own mind up about it but truth is alot of these people that are choosing to smoke this stuff (mainly teens) are not qualified to make these decisions. I say not qualified in the sense that they just dont seem to know what there getting therselves into, expecting a cannabis like high but get a rude awakening when the shit hits the fan. Anyhoos illeagalising it probably is'nt the best route.

From what ive read most of the seasoned drug users are fine from it so maybe the head shop owners should be more carefull who there selling it too, the other week i was in a head shop this group of young teens were in the cue before me and they didn't even know what they were asking for, saying something like "have you got that spice stuff everyone's been going on about ?" i had to lol but i'm pretty certain they were gonna be in for a shock

 

If people just started thinking for themselves and researching things before ingesting small or large quantities of unknown substances, there would be far less problems.
Part of the problem is the fact that when a drug becomes illegal, mostly all legitimate research on this compound is halted.
Large amounts of false, fear-inducing propaganda is produced by the media,
and in time no one knows what to believe regarding substances.
Proper education on these things will save way more lives than laws restricting them.
Soon water is going to be outlawed because of all the people drowning or over hydrating each year!

Sometimes natural selection just has to take it's course.

 

I've been smoking out of a bong (Metal Bowl with 2 screens) and keeping a torch lighter far away from it. The powder slowly turns liquid and resin balls up so I have to scrape the bowl quite often. The smoke has a very, very slight 'chemically' smell and a fairly unpleasant taste (not strong, just not appealing). The way I measure it on the fly is I use an Exacto Knife to dip into my bag and press it against the side of the bag with 1/4 of the knife covered (the tip). This is typically enough at any time but sometimes I find myself coming back for seconds 45mins later.

I'm convinced there is a little bit more to this than just overdosing. The first time I took a little bit too much I was fearful, which seems to be a common theme on this thread. But I have been using it almost daily for over one month and I know that I have 'overdosed' several times, but after the first fearfulness, I realized that it will pass just like any kind of drug, and it stopped being an unpleasant feeling.
This state does not include increased HR, sweats, or anything of the like. This is all part of that 'fearful' first overdose. What I do have is a little bit of visual blurring and I feel like I can't focus but then I realize that I can if I try a tiny bit harder. Instead of auto focusing it seems like I have to dial it intentionally. Somehow I have taken a liking to this new age of rap with breaks behind the vocals, and I didn't really like it much before experimenting with JWH-018. I can feel in 'tune' with vibrations around me, like my computer humming.

I know that I have smoked hash and had feelings similar to a JWH-018 overdose, I'm thinking maybe it's a psychological thing we are fighting when we hit that peak the first time it scares us because we don't have any faith in the chemical, and are worried that we might be trapped here like an LSD Burnout.

Sorry to be lengthy, but I'm having one of those 'overdoses' right now.

 

Yeah man.. since you are not a regular pot smoker these effects were probably too intense for you to handle and control, the "DEATH" aspect that you got was definately imho the 'paranoia' that the high from cannabinoids delivers....

You were like sooo highh duude......

..but all in all it did seem quite violent and rough, but alsoo, i noticed when you ended up at the hospital with the doc hooked up on monitors your anxiety went away and you felt a sense of relief with slight acute effects... all becasue you finally nknew you were safe.

 

yeah when I was on paper getting tested I had not smoked weed in a while. The jwh that I got was in the form of itty bitty rocks so were callin it j-rock but the first time I did it i smoked a little rock and felt pretty good, then later I smoked another rock about the same size and got "too high". I had no tolerance for getting stoned and I could see how somebody might think "oh fuck i'm gonna die" but you won't die and I just told myself I did too much and to try not to do that again. It's easy to do too much when you're working with the pure chemical but I never had any problems with it except getting too high but it wears off fairly quick.

I remember k2 being on the news and wondered if it was just people overreacting or maybe there's something about jwh that's more dangerous than actual thc, cuz you never hear about that shit with people smoking weed.

 

how dare anyone wish it to be illegal?!?!?!?

it's the dumbassed headshop owners selling it to idiots; with that being said it's easy to overdo. I've never had a bad OD from it (just extremely uncomfortable), but once I accidentally gave this one girl too much and for 2 hours she was sitting over the toilet puking occasionally.

never underestimate the virgin tolerance of a JWH newb!

 

i have had the same effect with Salvia.. i'll never be touching that shit again. Lost muscular control and it felt like i was wrapped in octopus tenticles (weird I know). You said this is a synthentic cannaboid and it comes in powder form? Its not that new inscence shit?

 

Take the HST approach.

 

Like an LSD burnout?

LSD is MUCH safer than the synthetic cannabionoids. You can fuck up your perception, but that can always be worked on later, better to be a magnafied, superstitious version of you than a depersonalized, impaired, spice generation version of someone else with aggressive lung tumors and strokes every ten minutes.

That's a slightly exaggerated explanation, I am, afterall, a purveyor of harm reduction minded spice made from pure food grade oregano and JWH-018. But smoke the shit? Hell no, and I'll tell that to anyone acquiring it from me. Had 2 week long spice binges, and NEVER again.

 

I registered just to support the cause...... I used to eat a shit ton of acid untill the death bringers started hanging around me every trip..i am not new to this ... quit for several years... now i am on parole so i tried spice....smoked a few times, one hit two hits nothing major......and POW... this shit just cleaned my clock. total lsd terror. death was there saying... "what you didnt get the message last time we talked..... o well you are coming with us now." but for the grace of god i sobered up without going into psychosis
this shit is not natural..... it could be made by ALQUEDA for all we know.... that would be a great way to attack the u.s. ..... super smart bombs in everyones brains... wipe out a whole generation and make it legal.....
minutes seemed like hours.... shaking.pacing ...20 min deja vue..... fucking mess..
and the worst part was we dont even know enough about this shit to make it illeagal yet....
this is not natural and it is not safe.
stay away...
If it had not have been for my experiance with BAD BAD BAD lsd trips i dont think i would have come back...

HELLS BELLS are ringing....
believe me you don't want to sing along with this song friends

 

What a ridiculous post.
Well, you do reveal a lot about what type of person you are there, so if you do decide to make more than this one retarded post (doubt it) I'll know to ignore you.

 

yes jwh-018 is the agent that changes daminia into spice.

 

Yeah I definitely wont be trying this ever even if it's free

 

i thank you for your understanding maynard james keenan.... keep smoking . It will get you.

 

Theys coming for me.. the bad trip demons. And there is no way to stop them because they live in the substances! There's no way in HELL my brain might make these things up.. :mickey:

 

not my most rational thought process..... but it seemed quite believeable at the time.... silly now but logical in an illogical frame of mind.

 

This is beyond ridiculous. It might not be your thing but stop projecting your fears and phobias on the rest of the world. The shit that's going on with you is a problem with your head not with the substance. I overdosed on JW more than once and yes there was extreme paranoia but that was because I got stupid and overdid it. It's like everything else, if you don't so to much it's a very positive experience.

 

Just don't smoke so much. It's a nice, clean experience, i.e., it stones - mostly mind vs. body. Dissolved JWH in acetone, mixed with dried mint, let it evaporate, smoke just a tiny pinch.

Blood pressure info. Took BP with a machine before and after smoking jwh-018. Despite a slight increase in heart rate, BP remained constant.

The Death Bringers - Yiiiikes!!!