Justice Thomas: 2a Won't be Touched

Good to hear.

 

Of course they won’t repeal the 2nd.

Gun control has always been a losing issue for those who support it. That’s why it never happened under Obama and pelosi. If these politicians wanna keep their careers intact. They’d step away.

 

You never posted facts, only assertions which you falsely called facts.

 

That is incorrect. I posted hard numbers that were backed up with cites.

 

Not good enough. Biased source and no statistical analysis.

 

Hardly biased. All those numbers came from the national governments of each of the countries.

The numbers are fine. Your objections stem from the fact that the numbers prove that gun availability has little impact on homicide rates.

 

I recall something from some years back that showed that quite a few experts had concluded that existing studies and data don't indicate a causal relationship between gun ownership and criminal violence, or the prevention of it.

 

isn't that the first time thomas has said ANYTHING in twenty years?

 

The US's homicide rate is higher than countries with strict gun control.

Your statistics showed that

 

According to the Washington Post, statistics also show that the U.S. firearm homicide rate per 100,000 is 3.2.

 

List of countries by intentional homicide rate by decade - Wikipedia

Estimated number of guns per capita by country - Wikipedia

Honduras
Homicide Rate: 86
Gun ownership rate: 6.2

El Salvador
Homicide Rate: 41
Gun ownership rate: 5.8

Jamaica
Homicide Rate: 48
Gun ownership rate: 8.1

Belize
Homicide Rate: 45
Gun ownership rate: 10

Bahamas
Homicide Rate: 37
Gun ownership rate: 5.3

Dominican Republic
Homicide Rate: 25
Gun ownership rate: 5.1

Brazil
Homicide Rate: 29
Gun ownership rate: 8

Columbia
Homicide Rate: 24.5
Gun ownership rate: 5.9

Trinidad and Tobago
Homicide Rate: 28
Gun ownership rate: 1.6

United States
Homicide Rate: 4.9
Gun ownership rate: 101

 

These are third world countries and not comparable to a first world nation. Most of the countries listed here have serious issues with organized crime

I was referring to the statistics you posted that showed the US had a higher homicide rate than other first world countries

 

Okay?

Here's a link that puts that into context relative to other first world nations

How U.S. gun deaths compare to other countries

 

Yes. Poverty is what drives high homicide rates.

Sure they are. And the comparison shows quite clearly that it is high poverty rates that cause high homicide rates.

Which is ultimately a result of their high poverty levels.

Impoverished areas of the US have higher poverty and more organized crime than is found in other first world countries.

 

Yeah, in every 100,000 persons, 3.6 people are murdered with a gun every year in the U.S. And this is the number that the anti-gun crowd holds up as justification for what? Tighter gun control? Like what? Banning the gun used least in school shootings? How much sense does that make? That's hysteria personified. What is it exactly you want done?

 

The raw data you provide has no statistical measures of correlation or strength of relationship. Are we just supposed to eyeball this and agree with you? Your bald assertions about the causes of violent crime are not borne out by the peer reviewed literature. Meliai's objections about comparing first world and third world countries are spot on. You are simply feeding us propaganda for the gun industry and the NRA.

 

My objections come from the fact that you continue to provide no statistical measures of correlation, and are in conflict with the published peer reviewed literature. Without those, your assertions are hot air. The raw data you give us comes to us second hand from a publication sympathetic to the gun industry.

 

The statistics are pretty clear on the lack of strong correlation between gun availability and homicide rates.

If you can point to a study that says high poverty levels don't result in increased crime rates, I'd like to see it.

Not really. The only reason for excluding third-world countries is to skew the data and produce an erroneous conclusion.

Accurate crime statistics are propaganda?

I think it unlikely that peer reviewed literature contradicts the facts that I posted. Especially since the numbers are so easily verifiable.

My assertions are backed up with verifiable facts.

 

All those first world countries are also super duper white.

Its like taking a fat bastard and telling them, look at this marathon runner, they are fast because they eat brocolli. You should eat brocolli too and youll be a fast marathon runner.

 

It HAS to be in a peer reviewed journal or its not true. All those "peers" in peer reviewed journals are soft handed soy boys and feminists who have never even been near a gun.