? just wondering.....um

Discussion in 'Agnosticism and Atheism' started by Doors_67, Oct 20, 2004.

  1. Razorofoccam

    Razorofoccam Banned

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    BlackGuard

    Occams idea of time springs from intuition...

    Everything is in motion.. Every subatomic particle to galactic superclusters.
    Motion is driven by objective or natural laws.
    There is no-thing humans can see that is not in motion.

    To occam the razor, the principle of parsimony...

    Says look for that which explains already.

    'Time'
    Is a human word that equals motion...
    They mean the same thing.
    Occam can find no error in this...
    And so far.. no-one else has. [shown such to occam]

    And Motion is the NOW.
    The NOW being the the experience of self aware beings.
    A product of motion as well
    Thought is the product of motion in the minds of humans,
    Time/motion alows thought
    And thought alows understnding of motion/time.

    The past 'was' the state of mater/space/energy
    The future is what self aware beings extrapolate/wish/hope it to be.
    [after a set period of motion. And that period is a description of change
    quantified by the rules that govern motion....ALL is motion]

    Occam
     
  2. Beatle Kat

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    Since I was 11 years old I've been discussing about god with my cousin (who's 1.5 yrs older than me).Then at primary school i had too many questions about religion, god, life after death, and since my teacher never answered my questions wholly, I begun to seriously doubt the existance of god and get angry with the Church and my dad who is a christian (my mom is an athiest but had never talked to me about religion) and finally after reading the Bible and many books I realised there was no god.I give 100% that god can't exist and I believe what science says.
     
  3. BlackGuardXIII

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    You might want to look into the writings of Dewey B. Larson, in particular his book, "Nothing But Motion". It seems to be very similar to your views.
     
  4. SingflowerCat

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    Oooooh... I get it. I like it. Very interesting. What category does this fall into? Is it an existential theory?
     
  5. Razorofoccam

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    Blackguard

    Occam will take a look at tthe ideas of this fellow Larson.

    Occam came to his belief on time through his own thinking..
    [deduction from human understanding of motion,, and lack of human understanding of time]
    And would be very interested in other perspectives.

    Thank you.

    Occam
     
  6. Razorofoccam

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    Singflower

    No idea...
    Maybe its just 'theory of time'...
    We dont KNOW what time is...
    It;s all theory..so far.

    Occam

    PS..though religion probably has an answer...
    They have answers for everything..
    Even concepts they dont understand.
    Time will probably be the 'meter of god'
    Or some such...An answer.without understanding.
     
  7. Hikaru Zero

    Hikaru Zero Sylvan Paladin

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    Perhaps a good name might be ...
    The Motion/Time Continuum?

    Hehehe ... ;)
    Big words for big concepts.
     
  8. SingflowerCat

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    Well, based on what I've read here I guess we do know what time is...

    Time is a human creation made for ease in planning, organizing... If I say yesterday, everyone knows what I mean. We all know when to meet if I say 4:00 because everyone's all on the same system of time, seconds, hours, minutes... it's all manmade.

    So time doesn't exist outside of our concept of it, the same way units of measure don't exits... we decided that a foot is a foot and an inch is an inch, a gallon of milk only exists as such in our minds...

    They are all words and words are what help us communicate; the words themselves are nothing at all, they just describe the described so that we have a common language for what we all collectively perceive to be real?
     
  9. BlackGuardXIII

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    sounds good to me.
     
  10. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    Hey, what about how your mind moves faster and slower through time? I mean, we use physical constants to define time, but everyone knows that time outside of mind flows at differing rates of perception.

    "Martin... Martin." With a brain the size of a planet, everything moves at a snails pace.
     
  11. BlackGuardXIII

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    Everyone knows that....I feel stupid, I didn't know that.
    I know that physics states that there is no absolute time nor absolute location.
    And I know that the future and past are seemingly nonexistant, at least in the present moment they are, anyway.
    Do you mean the phenomenon whereby during a crisis, time can appear to slow down, and how when you are enjoying yourself you wonder where the time went?
     
  12. mati

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    How can the present come to pass?
     
  13. Razorofoccam

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    Kharakov..

    The mind IS ALL "RATES" of perception..

    Do you mean when your car slides out..and everything slows down....?
    You may be about to die...
    The body pumps all sorts of chemicals into the brain...
    Our thinking processess move faster.
    We analyse quicker.
    The external world..seems to slow down..
    Because WE ARE THINKING FASTER.

    Occam

    [and why is a fly so hard to swat..it thinks faster. 2 mm from brain to wing. Small neural mass..physics]
     

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