? just wondering.....um

Hikaru knows many might look down at his response to Doors_67, here, as it is likely uncalled for, and quite rude, by his own admission. He suggests that those who would criticize him come back some other time, when THEY have felt the abuse he did as a child ... as then, they may have the capability to understand Hikaru's response.

A ha.... now I see it. Hikky, you and my fiancee do have much in common, and have similar reasons for being so wise at such tender ages. I would deduce that the folks that are belligerantly self righteous, condescending, narrowminded, cocky, non-compassionate, irrational, uncompromising, and unloving to anyone who disagrees with them probably had a silver spoon up their ass all their life, and had mommy and daddy there to always bail them out whenever they almost had to think there way out of a jam.
What do you think, young sage?

 

I have witnessed very clear and unmistakably real miracles. You have not. I am sure that there are things you have experienced that I have not. So can you state with total conviction that just becuz you didn't experience it, no one else did either?

Also, if you do believe that is the case,( I cannot help but believe in miracles, obviously.), then, though we differ, I accept your beliefs as true, real, and equally valid to any truths I have.

 

I am quite certain that what you are picking up is in fact sarcasm, which I loved to use for my entire youth, and found it hilarious. Now I find it to be useless, with no redeeming value, and its main purpose is the re-enforcing of the users own delusions of grandeur. Sort of a 'I am wittier than you' kind of thang.

 

No, like most other westerners I was brought up on the bible.....Then I just could not take the guilt, uncertainty and contradiction any more....so I set of on a very long quest for knowledge....

Gave up God, now seems he will just not go away....these days I seem to liken him to a shadow that dissapears when the light of investigation shines on it....

There is much religious people do not know about their religions, and I wish the knowledge was "common" knowledge, but it is'nt......

So here I am, still looking....for knowledge...for God...

 

I command you to change your personal spiritual beliefs immediately, and believe exactly whatever I decide is the correct interpretation of whichever one of the multitude of scriptures in the world that I say is the ONE TRUE RELIGION.
If you refuse, I am compelled to warn you, the most hideous tortures that the worst criminal minds that ever lived will be enacted upon your person for no less than a googleplex to the power of a googleplex millenia. That is a fairly long time, I might add.

Oh shit, I just posted that sarcasm is useless and ego centric, what a fuck up I am. Doh!

 

Well, that makes two of us, I like the mirage-like quality you describe, it is very appropos in my view. Just when you think you are going to pop open the door and see the answer......everything stops, and it says....to be continued next week, stay tuned.

 

Blackguard, at the moment my mind has just learnt of a new way of looking at things....I was happily plodding along thinking in the begining there was nothing but empty time and space and something else must have been there, like a positive absolute, to start the ball rolling so to speak....was thinking something like consciousness/intelligent/awareness/God as an absolute...then I read about some chap's other thoughts...

He said that most of space is empty....and possibly, the empty bit is full, and the matter is negative (void)...that would make us virtual beings(would'nt it?)

Just thought I'd chuck the idea in to see what you think of it....


L

 

Can't say it ain't so. I have so many possible options. Matter is detuned light, that has had its frequency lowered by gravity.
Or that gravity, magnetism, and electricity are the same force, just that gravity is the single force, magnetism is it squared, and electricity is it cubed.

Dark matter theory is much like what you describe, and I like what I have read about it.

I see no absolute time and location together, it is one or the other, you can predict when but not where, or where but not when, but not both. According to quantum physicists subatomic particle research.

It could all just be in your head.
Time may be an illusion, and the present is all there is, which I believe.
all matter is transient, impermanent, and everchanging, so to me, Spirit is the only reality.

In the presence of eternity, mountains are as transient as the clouds. Ingersoll

 

So where have you made sense of it so far?

"so to me, Spirit is the only reality"

where is/what is.............the spirit, as you percieve it?

thanks

strawpup

 

I like the use of the word surmised. <tips hat, raises glass, walks outside for a cigarette>

 

BlackGuardXIII

What does Hikaru think?

Well, Hikaru can see your point,
But he must disagree, at least with the case of his parents,
Hikaru's father had the same kind of father that Hikaru had;
Though Hikaru attributed his father's becoming what he is today,
To sheer stupidity and mental weakness.
Hikaru's father is the only non-retarded person he has met
(With no offense to the retarded!)
Who incorrectly answers the question,
"What is six times six?"

But, for the most part, your insight seems both plausible and probable for most cases. Hikaru just wishes to become everything that his father isn't (a rocket scientist, a computer programmer, a "dad," (as opposed to a father), etc.

Sarcasm and satire have their purposes ... though they are generally used to expose the flaws and hypocracies of other people's beliefs or convictions, by mocking the other person.

Sarcasm has no place here though.

 

I think it is necessary for people to have a similar basis of experience in order to understand why people think as they do. The view that winning arguments is 'good' (or fun) will draw people into an ever deeper understanding of life as they seek to consolidate and strengthen their arguments. The strongest argument is the truth. Just another path/ step in the road to enlightenment.

God always bails me out when I think or do something unpleasant. Thank God for my silver spoon...

 

Be careful not to outwit your self.

 

To settle for anything less than the truth is hell. I mean, if the truth is the most beautiful thing that your mind can behold, then believing anything less sucks.

 

BlackGuardXIII:

I think all of the other theories you listed are entertaining and plausible. I have a hard time with this one though... Can you explain it a little more? If the present is all there is, was one minute ago when I made myself lunch and spilled water on the counter a non-existent event? The water's still there... I need to go clean it up!!! so how'd it get there? I can see the water and it can be empirically proven to be there, and my memory remembers how it happened...I don't know I'm getting stuck on this one...

I also believe that "all matter is transient, impermanent, and everchanging" and Spirit may well be the only reality since I think spirit is all around and in us... any further thoughts on this theory?


"Spirit", I think, is the One Constant that holds in its palm Matter which is everchanging...

 

" God exists in eternity. The only point where eternity meets time is in the present. The present is the only time there is. "



Marianne Williamson

 

Well, I won't be spending much time thrashing you, but I would certainly recommend you read a thing or two, so you'd be able to understand atheism correctly and not present positions such as this where it is necessary to give you a 101 course.

Firstly, many atheists have not always been atheists. Those who have are a lucky select few. I myself am not one of them. Rather, many atheists are what you call apostates - having been part of a particular religion, and then finally at one time rejecting it.

The rejection is hardly a "wake up one day and reject God" situation. Many of the testimonies of apostates - including mine, include stories of long turmoil, confusion, suffering, and heartbreak. It took me a long time to finally admit to myself that God does not exist, and that I was no longer a theist.

Hating life is not a precondition of atheism. If you go to atheist websites, you'll see none of them are anti-life - but rather very much the opposite. Most atheists are materialists, and as such, life here on earth becomes far more precious than in the Christian worldview. Most atheists love life - even more so than many theists.

And no - I don't need to love God at all because of my loved ones. I do not believe that God exists, and hence I do not think that God has anything to do with my loved ones. You may think he does, but the burden is on your shoulders to prove it. I don't see how you can, either, considering a being with such a nature could never exist in the first place:

http://www.strongatheism.com/atheology/materialist.html
http://www.strongatheism.com/atheology/correctchoice.html
http://www.strongatheism.com/atheology/apathetic.html
http://www.strongatheism.com/atheology/moralprinciples.html
http://www.strongatheism.com/atheology/divinecreation.html
http://www.strongatheism.com/atheology/transcendencepersonhood.html
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theodore_drange/incompatible.html
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/michael_martin/martin-frame/
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/quentin_smith/causation.html
http://ffrf.org/fttoday/1997/august97/barker.html
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/raymond_bradley/moral.html

Looks like you've got quite a bit of work to do. Not to mention you'll have a hard time proving that god-talk is meaningful in the first place:

http://www.strongatheism.com/atheology/noncognitivism.html
http://www.strongatheism.com/atheology/conifer.html
http://www.strongatheism.com/atheology/processbased.html

- Laz

 

BlackGuard

Excellent.
The only NOW...
Is the NOW
There is no past.
It is a memory and a reading of that which once was.
There is no future,
But for the dreaming of the MIND.

The only time there is.The only reality. Is NOW.

Those who say that all time is a film..and we just play our parts.
Say so because they think that sounds cool.
That that absolves them of responsibillity...
Determinism and responsibillity are interweaved...
Determinists dont want responsibillity
Thats why they are determinists.
But Time/motion just keeps moving....
Directed by natural law..And free will...


Occam

 

Occam speaks the truth.

 

I take a slightly eccentric position on the nature of time, and it is just an idea that answers some questions I have.
That idea is that time is simultaneous. It is not linear, nor circular, but exists all-at-once. All of history, all of the future, exists now. My reason for theorizing this is the precognitive dreams I have had, and the attempt to explain how that kind of phenomena is possible. I now have two other possibilities. A Christian friend of mine pointed out that the bible says the number of days of our lives were recorded in the book long before we were born, which could mean that all my decisions are known by god, and my whole life is already in his records. (this is not my favorite explanation). I believe you gave me the other. That all of my reality exists within my own mind, so that obviously, I would be likely to know what I had planned for myself in that case. This is my second favorite explanation.
What is your view, Occam?