Judge declares Christians unfit to be parents

I don't think it is dictating the child should be homosexual.
If the gay "parents" decide to force their child to be gay that's one thing, most, I would imagine, would say it is normal (which it is) and for the child to make up their own minds. It would be their choice.
Are you suggesting all gay people are militant and everybody within their sphere of influence must be gay?

 

Where did you get this idea? It's not inherent in the decision. I imagine a gay couple who finds heterosexuality amoral and abhorrent would be disapproved for adoption for exactly the same reasons this Christian couple is.

Religion and sexual orientation of the parents has nothing to do with it. At all.

And it's not brought up here either. You don't need to drag in religion to find that someone's attitude would be detrimental to a child's upbringing.

 

If the transvestite stated that they were against any other way of life, and it is wrong to not be a transvestite, then no they wouldn't be better off.

Your second statement is just stupid.

But, that is just it - what if that child is gay, and his adoptive parents are so very clear that they are against homosexuality? For many people it is hard enough to figure out and deal with your sexuality, without having your family tell you are being sinful and will go to hell etc etc. I have worked with a many people from the pentecostal church, and what a lot of them have had to say about gay people is shocking.

Children should not be put into that kind of nonsense. Being against someone being gay is not a good value to teach children.

 

My parents are Christians, so I suppose I've been raised in a pretty strong faith-based household, but I'm not affected by their views, if I wanted to be gay I'd go ahead and be gay, but then again maybe my parents have "brain-washed" me to be straight. And our Queen is not a clown! A court jester, maybe.

But won't being in a Christian home teach the foster kids better morals?

 

That's just a ludicrous and ridiculous comparison. If you want to make a valid case for your position, statements like the above aren't working for ya.

 

I'm going to post this in big letters now

NO ONE SAID A CHRISTIAN FAMILY COULDN'T RAISE A CHILD. A JUDGE SAID A FAMILY WHO WAS EXTREMELY HOMOPHOBIC COULDN'T RAISE A A FOSTER CHILD(WHO IS A WARD OF THE STATE, NOT THEIR CHILD) BECAUSE THEY WERE TEACHING THEIR HOMOPHOBIA TO SAID CHILD. Said family then tried to hide behind Christianity as an excuse.

We clear now?

 

the discussion made Question Time arty:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctrua5c-AYU"]YouTube - BBC Question Time debates Derby foster carer case

 

Was that Mr. and Mrs. Said of the Said family?

 

Aaaah, aeiy... wasn't good to understand the Lockerbee perspective from ther union compatriots.:mickey:

 

we always were clear... you i'm afraid, are not...

the abranic traditions see the "spilling of seed" as a sin... this includes homosexuall sex

this means a good honest christian parent must tell a child they are responsible for raising that the god they worship will punish homosexuality.... or lie to the child about their own beliefs... or avoid the subject entirely ....

neither way of aproaching it desirable, children don't need parents who are prejudice towards a huge member of society... they certainly don't need parents who blatantly lie to children ... and parents who will dodge the "tricky" subjects are neither use nor ornament to anyone..

the would-be foster parents were not trying to hide behind christianity as an excuse ...... christians believe that homosexual sex is a sin against god ... this is akin to homophobia, and that is the reason the judge decreed they were unfit to be parents ...

it's really not that complicated

 

See the thing is a lot of people, Christian or not, don't like gays, also a lot of Christian foster homes receive state aid and state children, but guess what, normal people are so militant in their views they get rejected as being a foster family.

This says it all, what could that conversation have been like that a social worker cared enough to remember it. I had a sibling work for DCF(Department of Children and Families) and I can tell you right now how you feel about gays is basically the last damn thing the state normally cares about.

Also, fun fact, a lot of Christians don't believe homosexuality is a sin, but shhh, it's a secret.

 

More they don't like the idea of gay. When presented with a real person, it can be more problematic.

 

so basically you are saying that it's fine for anyone who's religious doctrination says that homosexuality is a sin and they should be allowed to take children from a safe environment into their own home? .. especially if they don't actually believe it, but pretend they do?

since when did deciet and prejudice make for a stable environment for a child

i don't know which country you live in, but it certainly has some odd ideas about parenting... i'm glad the UK, with this high court decision, is showing signs of growing out of stupid tradition that the christian church has spent a thousand years trying to convince us is "good and right"

 

I suppose I do feel sorry for them in one sense. Every one has opinions and beliefs, and they are entitled to have them. However, I agree with the decision made. There is no room to be closed minded when you are taking care of children. A child in a foster care setting does not need to feel they need to hide who they are for fear of how the foster parents will react. Coming out as a homosexual is hard enough, I imagine, without the judgements and dismay of all the people around you. No need to make a child's life any harder than it has to be.

 

Again, your country didn't rule Christians are unfit to be parents, your court ruled people who's beliefs against homosexuality are so virulent it can actually become a problem. Again your idea on how the whole court ruling went just isn't how it actually happened. These people are militantly anti-gay and are saying it's because of their Christian religion. There are tons of Christians who have no problem with gays while on the opposite side there are tons of nonreligious people who think gay people are terrible and disgusting.

Also if we're pulling the moral high ground on who's country is pulling out of the Christian dark ages quicker, my state along with 6 others allows full gay marriage and has for the past several years, and our federal government just said it will no longer defend the defense of marriage act in court, your country is still only up to civil unions.

 

pulling the moral high-ground?

lol ok....

sorry syd.. but your arguments seem to be "lots of people other than christians are homophobic" ... "lots of christians really aren't homophobic, but they don't tell anyone" and "none of us were there, so we shouldn't have an opinion on the news that was reported"

i know it's a heavy concept to get your head around, especially living in a predominantly christian country and having issues on it's moral standards compared to other countries... but two people in the UK were refused permission to foster children because of their views on homosexuality and sex before marraige, and when asked where these views came from, they replied their faith and religion .... they gave no other reason, just that they were christians

you obviously disagree with the UK judges decision, that's fine.. goodness knows that religion has been used as a tool for raising children to the moral standards of their parents for millenia ...... i'm just glad i live in an age and place where religion isn't allowed to be used as an excuse by some for what they would like to see practiced by mainstream society

 

Well that's a relief, maybe if it were we would see the widespread practicing of slave-whipping in mainstream society..???

 

You don't even know what the hell I'm saying, I completely agree with the judges decision. THESE PEOPLE ARE JUST HIDING BEHIND RELIGON, THEY'RE TRYING TO JUSTIFY THEY'RE HOMOPHOBIA, THEY'D BE JUST AS TERRIBLE NO MATTER WHAT RELIGION THEY WERE.

Christ you're like deluded over the fact the court ruled Christians were unfit to be parents, the court ruled homophobes were unfit to be parents who then used Christianity as an excuse to justify their homophobia. Jesus christ(woooo pun) critical thinking skills people.

Also your country is almost as Christian as mine by the number of people who report themselves as Christian. On top of it, you guys elected 2 BNP members as MEPs, who's literal sole platform is making sure Britain stays white and Christian and deporting all those who aren't. I don't doubt for a minute that's the secret agenda of enough politicians in the US but no national politician here could ever overtly say such things and no be crucified across the country.

So seriously shut the fuck up with the moral high ground "Well I'm glad I live in a place that..." shit.

I'm glad I apparently live in a Christian backwater nation where I can also get all the gay marriages I want and we don't have a state church. *smug face*

 

Well...........the courts snatched away Charlie Sheen's kidz this week.

I'm not concerned about what justification or moral stance the courts took.

To me, it's another example of a goverment burecracy throwing its weight around. If you agree with the logic of the decision, how nice for you. If you happen to not agree, you are screwed.