Jesus Christ was a cult leader

That's an interesting article. Yes. I have had my suspicions that the American govt. was behind the 9/11 attacks but have bowed to the belief that they were foreign simply because that's what most peeps seem to believe. I'm a bit weak like that.
What I was trying to say though was simply that, even if these 3rd world countries are behind the attacks we don't have the right to attack them. Rather the duty to help them. That's kinda what being a christian is all about. And it's probably what being a muslim is all about as well but I've never read the Koran or spoken to many muslims (The few that I have spoken to think that Christians and Muslims worship the same God, just two names) so I don't know.
Why don't agnostics meet up every week and chat about stuff to reaffirm themselves and get together to change things. That would help. I was at a Christian group the other week and said I wanted to change the world and some bitch accused me of being Hitleresque. Fucked up whore. The vicar however is a very good Christian, it seems to me, in the original sense of the word, and also wants to change things, I think.
I gave him my 'thing', which is a little essay on how we could progress from capitalism and he will get back to me on what he thinks when he's read it. Hang on, I'm gonna go home and get it and put it on here for you to read. I'm interested on wether you will think it Christian, it's definately not christian (small c) but has been called communist and neo-liberal, neither of which are great terms but I can see where those people are coming from. Hold tight...

 

Okay... This job you're doing... would u do it 4 free?
Okay. Imagine everything you wanted was free. What about now?
Then, you've gotta think... would this job be necessary in a money-free society?

The internet is great and it will change the world... far more profoundly than it has so far. Basically, you have a questionnaire (only once, but it's updatable) and on it you put in, first of all, your post-code (i.e. zip code for u USians out there), narrowing down your location to a street. Then u put in everthing you have on offer and everything you want, from a cuppa tea and a chat to guitar lessons. This part is about skills exchange and doesn't offer benefits over capitalism except for tax-evasion and advertising but later who knows - could goods be exchanged in this manner? Imagine this...

Imagine factory owners and farmers and truck drivers took up the questionnaire. The skills on offer are limited but they've got the capital. Food is plentiful, each farmer on a modern commu7nal farm produces enough food for how many thousands of people? And the farmer, in exchange, wants virtually nothing to such an extent that you get the perverse situation where food is burnt to keep prices high or farmers are paid to keep there lands bare. Farmers are so efficient that it costs more to haul what they produce than it does to buy it so food (under our govts.) has to be wasted. In a country that pays it's farmers to keep their lands free of crops it's not a fallacy to say that food is cheaper than air... you just don't have to distribute air. Most farmers would prefer to see their food eaten rather than dumped on grain mountains or otherwise wasted and all they want is everything they need.... They want a tv - a tv worker somewhere wants some food; they want some clothes - a clothing designer somewhere wants some food, etc. Everyone wants food so all the farmer has to do is grow it and put on his questionnaire how much he has and what he wants, then the lorry driver (who can also teach you to drive a lorry if you bring him a little something) has to drop off what he's got and pick up the food.
The lorry driver then has the power to take the food wherever he wants. If he holds onto more than he and his family can eat it will spoil so why would he? Instead, he looks on his questionnaire database, which has been converted to a colour coded map of areas that want or have particular goods. He then takes the food to an area that needs food but has other goods - clothes, stereo equipment, whatever and swaps his food for some of that - looking up his next destination on the database map and picking up accordingly. His food has been deposited at the local depot (as frequent as, say a supermarket) but it hasnt cost then more than what the driver has picked up which is something that they produce or are rich in. He then takes this to the next depot, factory or farm and the whole thing continues.
this would happen on a huge scale (huge amounts of the excess food would go to the airports for the third world to eat). And a tiny scale (kids delivering the papers to their street in exchange for toys and lessons). it's simple and it's easy and it should work, it eliminates the need for stockbrokers, accountants, bailiffs. Eventually the majority of the government could be done away with, thereby massively reducing the cost of living for everyone. what the government fails to understand is that, although simple keynesian economics tells us that producing work is good for the economy, it doesnt tell us that which common sense tells us ie, unless that work achieved something we were better off as a whole without it.

 

I'm glad you have an open mind. People either already know about all the deception or blindly refuse to entertain any thought of misdeeds by the suits in charge.

But the best way to get wrecked is to assume it cannot happen.

I think 'hitleresque' a bit harsh on the part of the bitch, 'idealist' would be more suitable, as well as informed and polite. People that make remarks such as that are way more lost than they'd like to think the object of their ridicule is, anyway. To those types I say 'poof'. That's the best way to love your neighbor sometimes, from afar.

I haven't had a chance to read your essay, but I will just in a little bit. But you have to read one of mine!

The things you say tells me that you have a lot going on in your head that is good, and full of potential for your own benefit.

I'm sending you a pm, after I post this message. Then I'm reading your essay.

 

i kno alot of people who would disagree.....a lot of people who would follow....kill God? thats just silly....

 

First, I heard that nicotine in tobacco goods can help treat schizophrenia in a small way, which is why many schizophrenics smoke. And though I don't know why this was said, Jesus didn't smoke cigs because it's a New World plant, not present in Eurasia till after 1492 or shortly thereafter.

Now, on to the main topic. I agree with much of what has been said, especially by queenannie. Of course Jesus would be an enemy of the modern Church and State systems, his message is inherently opposite the goals of these things. Both are institutions, intent on maintaining themselves, but Jesus taught letting go of such worldly things (governmental or religious laws and practices) and realizing you don't need that stuff to find enlightenment (beyond, of course, basic necessities, ie food...man may not live by bread ALONE, but he still needs the bread). Happiness won't come from being totally secure through gov't actions, nor through religious teachings of laws and moral codes. Nor will it matter if you live in a totally chaotic, anarchy-style world, with no religion or government. Such things are transitory. Jesus taught the inner way to happiness (ie, enlightenment, ie god).

By the way, Jesus wasn't starting a new religion. He was a Jew through and through. It was later people, especially Paul, who turned the early church into a new religion by including Gentiles, and scrapping the Mosaic Law.

 

Love Cult... where do I sign up?

 

First, if Jesus were to return he could set up shop in a medium sized college town in the bible belt or a South American country. If he could relocate somehow or maybe be in both places at once he would have it made. Then he should convert the HR manager of a local factory, increase sales through divine manipulation (loaves and fishes) and hire all new converts, paying them from steadily increasing bankrolls.



Or he should appear to Madonna and convince her to give HIM all her money instead of the Kaballah center. She could convert Demi Moore, and Roseanne and he would have it made. Sooner or later he would make people magazine, appear on Oprah, takeover the government of the forementioned South American country. If L Ron could do it so can he.



Sometimes the world of goverment and spirituality do work together. Take India, they have been able to curb internal fighting between religious parties and create a working government that thrives on an intense spiritual culture.



Or in the USA the good old town of Antelope I mean Ranjeesh. The Ranjeeshis managed to throw an election in their favor and even renamed the town. Until they started murdering each other that was a triumph of godly proportions.



Many Anabaptists sects and Native American tribals have effectively seceeded from this country and successfully govern themselves. It can be done. If he ever comes back don't worry, just watch Oprah.

 

being in a cult will eventually hurt you somehow.

Being with Jesus sets you free.