I've opened a can of worms

So nice white middle class kids are more deserving than those born into povery? People should be given the chance to do well and to live a nice life, i dont see why people should have their life set out ahead of them just because of what familly they are born into. Its crazy to think that someone born into poverty deserves no extra help is free. You've been fucking brainwashed.

 

and complete unadulterated freedom is more important than fairness?

 

But the question reamains what is total freedom? There isn't mtuch thats democratic about mrket forces, they put power into the ruling classes hands. ie a small bunch of people control society. That is not freedom to me. Freedom is workers controling the means of produciton, utmost democracy. That is freedom. Freedom is not the ruling class lording above society.

 

some people cant be just getting out of poverty coz they feel like it. the fucking bourgois take care of that.

 

Man, so bnasically your family's just another white working class family? Right, so's mine so's chris' so are most people on this board probably. But can't you see that the system is based upon people like you. And that you have a lot more in common with other working class people be they black or white?

You should be fighting the beugoirse not other working class people.

Now as for punk it's a lot more than music, it's a movement.

 

my family ain't workin class, we're no work no income white trash class.


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it's true.

 

haha, if i get a job i sure as hell ain't givin it to pay bills fuck bills. or something.

 

You sure like putting words in people mouths don't you? We both know I didn't say that. But the point is, if you look at it without all your bs notions and idealism, no one inherently deserves anything. It's survival of the fittest. Always has been, always will be, you cannot escape nature.

 

Yes, by quite a ways.

 

Workers controlling it? Why are the ruling class the ruling class? They didn't just happen to be, at some point or another they or their ancestors took the iniative, you are free to do the same if you have what it takes.. Freedom is reality and reality is freedom.. You can do whatever you have the ability to do.

 

i dont like raceists, people who would hate ANY minority, but im sorry i cant call someone a 'niger', if i chose, and they can call me one....geez thats makes the list of stupid things i hear most everyday.

 

fight the power

 

niger is a country.....


ni 'gg' er is a racial slur


amazing fucking difference.....

 

hahah

 

the rulling class are the ruling class because they are immoral and corrupt. If your ancestor took the initiative (which i highly fucking doubt) does that mean you have the right to live off that? freedom is not reality and reality is not freedom. Corrupt regimes are corrupt, people are oppressed, is this not real? People exploit the workers, and take what they have produced and reap the profits. Is that part of your happy little Utopia? WHy dont poor people deserve a decent standard of living, you tell me that.

 

possibly because they come from a culture and background where we keptm them as slaves for hundreds of years, raped, murdered and destroyed their culture. As well as predominately white society that makes them be born into a world of poverty and crime

 

Finally, someone who see's the fucking truth! i fucking salute you.

 

wheather you physically said it or not, tis irrelevant, as thats what your argument implies.

 

Firstly it has not always been that way, in feudal times it wasnt. In ancient times before that it wasnt. I don't like these systems but it wasn't all down to market forces then.

Most of the current ruling class is there because there mum and dad were there. When the owner of wall mart dies his sons and daughters will inhjerit billions of pounds, without doing fuck all for it.

 

i disagree with many of the points that you make, but the overall, that people of color are racist against whites, is true to an extent. not all people are this way, but some are. for instance when i was working at guest service a black woman wanted to return a $100 necklace. it's the rule that we check to make sure we actually carry that necklace. (make sure they didnt buy a $100 necklace, go home take the tag off and put it on a $20 necklace, then try to return it, with a profit of $80) we do that with EVERYONE. this woman started bitching at me like I was racist because i was doing this. SHE was racist for assuming that i was racist. i have nothing against you, unless you give me a reason to. this woman did. you wanna go through life victimizing yourself? fine, go ahead. i wont feel sorry for you, it's only those that have to deal with you that i pity.