Israel Declares War on Hamas (bloodshed again)

The Israeli versus the Palestinian experience.

 

On the October 7th anniversary of the evil attack and massacre of Israelis, a local media channel here released a sob story piece on the people of Gaza. It's disgraceful and insulting, this evil woke 'panderverse' misinformation. Sympathizing with sick terrorists. A people who were still launching dozens of rockets at Israeli citizens that same day. A people who chose to support terrorists over the welfare of their children. A people who have been teaching their children for decades that Jews need to be annihilated.

Decent people champion for freedom and democracy. Decent people support Israel. Only the evil and the ignorant support sick fanatical terrorists.

‘Evil so profound’

 

I think you could go so far as to say lots of Palestinians are pro-Hamas, pro-terrorist, etc. Blaming an entire people is just scape goating though.

I also don't think it's anti-Israeli to expect IDF to minimize civilian deaths in the conflict, and there's reason to think they haven't done a very good job of that. How many kids have to die in this conflict before you yourself would object? Or is there any number? Do you think it would be ok to exterminate all Palestinians, including all Palestinian children, because they as a people are all culpable?

 

We can't be sure given the concept of the psychiatric term (which i don't readily recall - Shroedinger, perhaps), where captives 'gel' with their captors as a survival mechanism.

Keeping your head down is a good strategy for survival on occasions and I expect many Palestinians are doing that and have been doing that for decades.

Hamas is imv evil but the decent Palestinians have been unable to get rid.
However blaming an entire people isn't simply scape-goating. To do so demonstrates absolute ignorance of the middle east issues which are long-standing and very complex. Naivety at best. Much worse when such dogmatism and pontification is expressed simply to say he knows best.

That expression by some posters here isn't surprising. It's similar to that of the western govts imposing their solution on middle east, where the clue to it being a failure is in the term 'imposing'.

Imv the state of israel; it's borders, represent a recurring aneurysm. It ruptures repeatedly. Both religions have history based on ground within its borders. For Jews, it's the promised land. For others, it's different places within Israel. If one is entitled to its promised land so, too, must be the others in respect of theirs.
As I wrote just after oct7, early in a thread pertaining to it, this military action will not achieve its aim. It's not possible to eradicate an ideology. You can kill the whole population but others, elsewhere, will pick up the gauntlet. That's reality.

Diplomacy, jaw-jaw and it seems, a two-state agreement, which, through a fudge, would enable the beginnings of respect of all traditions; that's the only way forward.

If you don't get on with your neighbours you either move or compromise.

A simple principle.

This oct7 tragedy is one of many, waged by both sides. And let's not forget, Netanyahu was on the way out of office, unpopular with his own population. Due to previous actions by his govt, he could end up in the Hague.

This response to oct7 was opportunistic, to keep him in power. (Likewise Putin in Ukraine).

Just like with Hamas and the Palestinians, there needs to be separation of govt from people, separation of netenyahu's govt from Israelis. Separation of Russians from Putin, separations of Americans from President. Not every American supports one party, which means the us govt never acts for its people (given the vote shares). Likewise every country in middle east if not every country, period.

Also; it was the West - mostly the UK - which drew the borders in the whole middle east.

History show us two things.
1. Their decisions regarding borders have never endured or proven to be correct/wise. Always short-termism.

2. The key thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history.

To survive, in power, control freaks need 100% of it all. When rumbled, they lose everything. Much more constructive to agree on 50%. Much more wise. Better to have 50% of something, than 100% of nothing. Only ass-holes refuse compromise.

I think that clarifies my opinion of all those who insist their way is correct.

 

It's become obvious what the Jews mean with the saying--NEVER AGAIN.

 

Their government at least, but I doubt very much that all Jews would want their neighbours annihilated.

 

I wouldn't begin to know.

 

Well there's large protests in Israel against what's being done. Also about not bringing hostages back. He's not actually bothered; they are expendable pawns.

 

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What kind of moron thinks you can sit down and negotiate peace with fanatical militant terrorists?

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Let's have a look at what Gaza looked like before the war. Was it a horrible place? A concentration camp? An open air prison? Was it worth it?

https://www.youtube.com/live/gN9E4hwE1LA?si=qP3ybEet0sB2jn1E

 

You show yourself not to have the first clue about politics on the world stage. That's ok. None of us knows everything.
As Harry Callaghan once said, "man's got to know his limitations". Know yours.

Its been done before by the US and British governments.
It's not me just saying it; it's a fact.

Perhaps you should be better versed in subject matter before you talk rubbish and before you criticise others and label them just because they know stuff that you don't.

Just a thought.

 

7 Things pro-Palestinians Forgot to Tell You

 

Dr. Phil asks 'What would it take'...

 

Time to end this horrible war. Sinwar is dead. Time for ceasefire in exchange for the hostages.

Then Hizbollah and the Houties and Iran will supposedly stop hostile actions once Israel stops Netanahu's war.

 

I hope so. His demise is a real opportunity to change course; to move ceasefire, hostage release and diplomatic solution.

There never could be a destruction of Hamas. It's never been possible to kill an ideology. New people will replace those taken out.

And. I think, no conflict has ever been resolved without jaw jaw, which imv means further bloodshed is pointless.

 

Sinwars more evil brother and successor is still on the loose.

 

With the key leadership gone from Hamas, the may fragment into gangs etc. That's why I think now is an ideal stage in which to move towards settlement/agreement.

 

SinWar has millions of sick evil supporters in the streets vowing revenge. How do you deprogram millions of fanatical militants? Millions willing to put their terrorists above their children. Not literally above their children, sheltered behind their children actually. I seen a video clip of Sinwar walking in a tunnel, literally behind some kids, "yeah of course!"...

Call them all victims and send them more money for rockets, I guess is the woke leftist answer.