Islam is about peace and love?

Probably many. The point is another though: That video has apparently already been posted in june 2012. It was only after it had been dubbed in arabic that the shit hit the fan.

 

Cass,
There are outbreaks of Christian violence, Hindu violence, Jewish violence, and atheist violence if you consider Maoists in China and South America and Soviet atheists in the 20th century.
But Islam seems to have a bigger problem with it currently than other groups.

My Algerian friend never taught me violence in the course of teaching Islam, that much I will say for him. Wish there were more like him.

So the US and UK pride ourselves on being tolerant toward people in favor of Islam and people against it. But we don't have to be stupid about it. Within our own borders we can take steps to welcome only peaceful immigrants and once they are here, insist that they not teach violence. That is very controversial, because government is not supposed to interfere with religion, even when it preaches murder and mayhem, but maybe that is taking tolerance too far.
We have a saying around here: your right to make a fist ends at the tip of my nose!
And you can't even yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre.

 

I just watched the trailer for that movie.

What a low budget piece of shit.

People are committing murder over THAT?

 

Neither did 'the muslims' or 'the libyans'.

All muslims are in poverty? Indoctrinated? Ignorant? Quite the generalizations.

 

You go to an islamic country and publicly say something against allah or his prophet. Watch what happens.

Did you read about the little girl that used pages of a certain book to get a cooking fire going? She is mentally disabled. She faces trial for blasphemy in Pakistan.

 

Not all of them but many. And yes they are ignorant and indoctrinated. This is how fanatics are bred within any religion.

Christianity is no different. Look at the inquisition or the crusades. But in more evolved societies you get better education and therefore you can make more informed choices. Regurgitating the words of some priest or other is not your only option.

 

Muslims living here must appreciate the amount of freedom they have or surely some would have copied the homicidal maniacs living back there. I don't mind at all if immigrants don't assimilate completely, as long as they are aware of and adhere to the amendments/laws that give us the rights of expression.
(PS=the other day,Chinese diplomats actually came to Corvallis,Ore from San Francisco to insist that a mural a Chinese immigrant had painted on the side of his business depicting the actions of China toward Tibet and other civil rights issues, and were told unequivacally by the mayor to fuck off,in so many words and to read the US constitution.)

 

One likely result of the mob violence is a big drop off in tourism from American and other western countries. Tourism is a vital part of the economy of Egypt, Tunisia and other countries which are experiencing these riots. The problem will get worse, and the people in the countries affected probably won't make the connection. A classic example of cutting off one's nose to spite one's own face.

The convoluted "logic" behind the riots reminds me of the Westboro baptist picketing of the funerals of U.S. military personnel, on the theory that God hates them. I was trying to explain it to my sister. She asked: "Were the servicemen and women gay?" No, I explained. They're being targeted because they work for the U.S. and the US is supposedly soft on gays. I gather that the targeting of the U.S. by the Muslim mobs is because the film was made in the U.S. and the U.S. is therefore responsible,the First Amendment notwithstanding. At least the Westboro Baptists, like the KKK and Christian identity movements, can't seem to get traction in this country. It seems to be easy for some nutjob to start a conflagration in the Middle East, however farfetched the cause seems to be.

I don't blame Islam for this. I've traveled in the Middle East. I was impressed by how most people go about their daily lives in peace and how Islam functions positively in their lives. Unfortunately, as is true of Christianity, the irrationalist minority gets the attention.

 

america has never givin' the irish any cause to.but if you really want ta be grateful ta they irish,you could be grateful to all the irish who fought and died r.i.p. side by side with your ancestors in the war of american independence.an you clearly have no understanding of what war is all about.what kind of nation would stand by while their people were being murdered and do nothing to try an stop it?what would you have them do lie down and die?its civilians all joined together against their own goverments bad choices, that just add fuel ta fire in wars in the first place ,by saying no to their own goverments involvements in places they should'nt even be in.but that will never happen ,cos the world as a whole will never have the balls individually joined together to do so.love is fighting back!love for ones family and nation.i think ye're all goin' ta get one hell of a surprise when ye get ta the spirit world one day,when ye see who jesus best friends really are up there.i already know all the people who'll be sitting beside him at that supper table.

 

You can poke fun and insult anything on this planet, you can depict Jesus Christ molesting children. Some people have a laugh, some people aren't impressed, but everyone goes on as they were. Anything except profit Muhammad, if you so much as depict his likeness there will be violence destruction and death. I think this speaks volumes about the core nature of Islam.

 

Our societies have not been so long so tolerant either. You couldn't make fun or even be seriously about dismissing christian fate for many centuries. Now a lot of societies accept making fun etc. of religion is a part of free speech but we can't seem to accept other societies are not at that point (yet). It is obvious Islam just as Christianity can be focussed at from many different angles, if you think Islam is only focussed about hate I just wonder how wide your view on the world is. Or perhaps in particular that part of the world. Everything is in development, religions and also societies. And also perspectives on all this.

 

You obviously must not be aware of the American Christian obsession with playing the persecution card at every chance.

 

That's the 'civil' way But thanks for showing relaxx that example. It's all relative indeed.

 

I guess my kind of nation. Seems to me our ambassador to Libya was just murdered and American armed forces in Afghanistan are being murdered, ostensibly because some dude made a film that the U.S. government has publicly deplored. What do you think we should do about it?

Do you think current mob action in the Middle East is some kind of justifiable popular expression of protest against just grievances? If so, I think that message is lost on the audience. Many of these countries--Libya, Egypt, Tunisia--were caught up in the so-called "Arab Spring' for which the world had much hope. The radical Islamists who seem to be in control of the mobs, don't seem to be interested in establishing a better world, with liberty and justice for all. Hopefully, these are growing pains in countries who just got their first chance at democratic self-government.

 

No, the radicals are not interested in a better world. Or else they would not be doing things like beheading women who teach girls to read. What they are interested in is jumping on any cause that can be fanned into a fire. Most of the so called offenses against islam would go un-noticed by the majority of muslims just going about their lives like anyone else. But they are magnified and bigged up by extremists who must keep their supporters in a hysterical state of violent rage or else see their powers start to wane.
Its all about power and fear.
Same old same old really.

 

It's only about peace and love within fellow believers, to everyone else it is a declaration of war....

It is unlawful for a believer to kill another believer, accidents excepted. He that accidently kills a believer must free one Muslim slave... He that kills a believer by design shall burn in Hell for ever. He shall incur the wrath of God, who will lay His curse on him and prepare for him a mighty scourge.

Quran 4:92-93

Let not the unbelievers think that they will ever get away. They have not the power to do so. Muster against them all the men and cavalry at your command, so that you may strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy...

Quran 8:59-60

If you doubt what We have revealed to Our servant, produce one chapter comparable to it. Call upon your idols to assist you, if what you say be true. But if you fail (as you are sure to fail) then guard yourselves against the Fire whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the unbelievers.

Quran 2:23-4

The unbelievers among the People of the Book [Bible] and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures.

Quran 98:6


Fundamental religions are not compatible with any future human progress beyond our current level.

 

What are you saying with those quotes, relaxxx? That those are the core of what Islam is about? Are similar quotes from the bible the core of what Christianity is about? Or is it just the most easiest way to advertise the opposite for whatever reason (since it's not what those religions are about)?

 

What are you saying? Why are you such a defensive tool for ancient oppressive hateful bullshit?

 

Because I see different aspects of it. I see a lot of hateful bullshit from you though. Fight fire with fire?

 

the aspects of Opposition are many and too often get
tangled and weird . the only way to win the game is
to surrender so divinely that the game ends forever .

why are dirty peace and love hippies such masters of the
contrary ? the game is stinky .