Islam is about peace and love?

Fair enough - but what is the main focus point of the religion do you think?

 

I'm afraid it is submitting to God and his laws. Happily not necessarily out of fear though.

 

Right. Here's the only law anyone needs.

1. Don't be an asshole. Be nice to other human beings and animals, and respect your planet, cos its the only one you have.

Umm, did I miss anything?
No, didn't think so. Now stop fighting everyone and just try to enjoy your life, because it could be quite nice if you made the right choices. You do not need mumbling men with beards to tell you what to do.

 

A lot of those mumbling beardies are probably allright, they (and mainly the authority of which they claim to speak for) just need to be put in perspective by both the western world and a large part of their followers.

Edit: and themselves

 

It is a sad event, but I think that is more a mental health issue than a religious one.

You can twist anything like religious text or even democratic laws to justify anything you like if you spend long enough at it and are deluded enough to believe in your own lies.

 

It had to do with where muhammad was in life when he wrote each part.

At first he was nice to a lot of groups, like jews. When he couldn't do miracles like a jewish prophet they laughed at him, he got all bitchy, and wanted them all killed.

Allah just said whatever muhammad felt at the time.

And actually, he didn't write a bit of it down, because he was an illiterate paedophilic camel jockey. One of his wives, a christian, did the actual writing of the koran.

 

Organized religion is barbaric and evil, stay away from it, you might catch something.

 

Indeed. I think Mohammed was just another psychopathic cult leader. There was nothing holy on this man, and this is based on Hadidh. He was like more successful Charles Manson.

 

Seems like a fearful premise to me and an asshole is every bit as important as a mouth. Nice is one of those things that depends on the assessment of the beholder.

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Why yes you did miss something. We always choose with a guide, need not be mumbling men with beards, but you always choose from some sense of perceived advantage.

 

I live in France and I can tell you that the muslim community strongly disaproved those murders. Also, it has helped M Lepen (leader of the french nationalist party (Front National)) with her election campaign. Today she said "how many other Mohamed Merah are coming from arabic countries in boats ?" ( uke: )

This has nothing to do with Islam, but with hatred.

"The sayings of Muhammad are a treasure of wisdom not only for Muslims but for all of mankind." MK Gandhi

 

Yes, there has been a lot of coverage about that in the UK. Specifically people saying "He was a Frenchman and he killed French people"
Yess......but he was a French Muslim with his sad little muddled brain all fired up with holy hatred. So you cannot take Islam out of the equation here.
Its the general scale of volatility which is a big problem, and the eagerness to shout "KILL" rather than to stop and consider.
For instance: if a Muslim nutter made a big public display of burning bibles, then people would be upset. Letter would be written. Fingers would be wagged and muttered threats made. And that would be about the size of it. People would be pissed off, but probably nobody would die.
If a Christian nutter made a big display of burning a bunch of korans - people would die. People who had not been part of the burning - but were guilty anyway because they were infidels (and easy targets)
People would die - in fact we have just seen this happen. Now Christians are not all about peace and love, but they are a lot more chilled than Muslims in general. So I think the answer to the OP is - no, Islam seems not to be about peace and love.
Maybe it was intended to be. Maybe it once was. Any actual enlightenment seems to have been lost. I don't see much evidence of it spreading happiness and joy around the world. I see angry men. There is much of the problem right there. Men in control of everything. No balance. Hate + testosterone + ignorance + fear = bad juju

 

Why would they show you happy men? They're not doing anything considered newsworthy. Although a lot of muslims protested peacefully in the arabian spring but it seems they don't count

 

well, I see religion more as a catalyst here, not a cause. I think you're confusing correlation and causuality when you talk about islam and violence ( it's "Cum hoc ergo propter hoc" : "with this, therefore because of this", a fallacy )

 

take the Koran and put the bible cover on it . bloody the same . kill them who don't believe in god . convert them with the sword .
the end .

 

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I disagree with some of the doctrines common to all Islam, but I have yet to see proof that the Quran directly led factions of Muslims to kill those who disagree with them. They show no mercy to those they kill, yet they affirm again and again the Quranic teaching of the mercy of Allah.

I have met Muslims who are men and women of peace and mercy. That is the kind of Islam that Gandhi respected, though he was a Hindu.

 

I was brought up to respect all religions, but the more I learn about Islam, the less I like it. I do not think it is about peace and love. It is a medieval religion that cannot live in peace with others. There are just so many places in the Koran that basically say "kill the unbelievers".

The worst thing is that whenever there is a terrorist attack, we rarely hear anything from the so-called moderate leaders of Islam. I can only think that there aren't many peace-loving moderates. If I'm wrong, and I may be, it is these people that can change my mind -- but where are they?

 

I'm an agnostic who likes to study religion and the Qur'an (the Book of Scripture of the Muslims) does not say "kill the unbelievers." This is what the Holy Qur'an says, and this is maybe what some who call themselves Muslim don't practice:

"(8)Allah forbids you not respecting those who fight you not for religion, nor drive you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly. Surely Allah loves the doers of justice. (9)Allah forbids you only respecting those who fight you for religion, and drive you forth from your homes and help (others) in your expulsion, that you make friends of them; and whoever makes friends of them, these are the wrongdoers." (Holy Qur'an 60:8-9)

Islam forbids disrespecting people who do not fight you for your religion, etc. Maybe some who profess Islam are just corrupt insincere people.

 

Many Christians have gone beyond the interpretation of the faith that resulted in the Spanish Inquisition, the massacres in North America, South America and the Crusades.

I am not recommending that people become Muslims, but I am saying that I have met some Muslims who are not filled with hate. They do not get in the newspapers or television. They live quiet lives.

Much of the hate speech coming from Egypt, Iran, and Pakistan shows that there is indeed a big problem. It may be true that there are more violent people who claim to be Muslim than there are violent claimants to Christianity, Buddhism or Hindu faith. But the fact that there are some peaceful Muslims gives me hope that all Muslims can potentially live at peace with others if they abandon the violent doctrines that some preach.

 

Oh, really? That's not what my sources say. From the Koran:

There are many more.

There was a Pew study which asked Muslims as to whether they support the deliberate murder and maiming of noncombatant men, women, and children in defense of Islam. Some of the results:


Justifiable? Yes No DK/Refused
Lebanon 73 21 6
Ivory Coast 56 44 0
Nigeria 47 45 8
Bangladesh 44 37 19
Jordan 43 48 8