Is truth a constant through time?

I'm not sure why something changing signifies that it is untrue. How can there be an unchanging power base for a creation that changes? Wouldn't it have to change depending on what it was powering? There may be a fixed amount of power, but its structure must change depending on what is being powered.

If the inherent nature of the universe is to change, then isn't it true to that nature? It is changeless in that it always changes.

 

Well, truth (as oppose to falsehood) are human concepts - or at least, it requires sentience to conceive something that doesn't exist, and thus require the need for untruth.

If truth is a human concept, it will remain constant as long as we believe in it, as a race. We understand truth to be the inherent nature of something. It would therefore be unchanging. That's not to say that our perception of a thing as being true can't change over time. But that's history, which can be as far from truth as one can get in a lot of ways.

 

In Hinduism, they call this world Maya. Illusion.

There are no fixed reference points. Everything is in a state of change. Truth requires stability, and there is none here.

Humans have to settle for an approximation of the truth. They are unable to see the unmanifest God because they themselves are products of it.

In the physical world, our truths have a cycle of life and death.



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Uhhkay, but nah, there totally is.

The thing we have named "truth" refers to consistency within this world, and it is pretty consistent. If I say something is blue, and it is blue, that is true. You can argue that "ahhh, but my idea of what blue is is subjective", but it's irrelevant, since everyone else's is as well; "blue", like any other word, is just a name we give to something we mutually understand. Same with "truth". What "truth" is is that which humans understand to be absolute. If we have a word for "truth", it can't be meaningless. It has meaning.

Did someone other than a human tell you that? Because if not, based on the content of the sentence alone, you have no real reason to believe them. Uncertainty isn't a reason to believe something.

Can I have examples? Like, one truth that is currently in "life" and another that is in "death". Cuz I'm not entirely convinced.

 

The truths you think are there are only there because they appear stable within your lifetime, but they still cycle. So for that brief time, something is true for you. But either upon your own death or a change in circumstance, those truths can vanish in an instant.

They were never really there. Except in YOUR dream. Whatever reality they had is what you gave them. You're dreaming right now. You're dreaming you're awake. It appears true.

Humans cannot approach absolute truth because they can't access the spiritual plane where that is possible. You can't take the human mind there. You can't even take a soul there. It is a place where all individuality has ceased. I can't go there, but I am aware of it. The Brahman. And its not a matter of belief. I tell you what I see.

Examples of temporary truths.

Light used to be thought of as waves. We now know that its composed of particles that behave in a wavelike fashion.

The world was once flat. Somebody else figured out it wasn't.

George Bush was elected twice because people though he was "true".

Truth in the human world is a matter of opinion. Because it is a product of the mind itself. That makes it change with time. It cycles.


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Is that absolutely true? You'd have to say "No." So, since you believe you can't say anything true, what sense is there is in talking about what the truth is or isn't?

You can keep arguing that nothing is real, but all you achieve in doing so is creating more reality or more illusion. And it doesn't really matter if you call it "real" or "illusory"; it is what it is. If you believe it is illusory, then all you know about an illusion is based upon an illusion and thus illusory itself. So there is no way to speak of it meaningfully. You might as well call it real.

But reality (or the illusion) exists independently of what we call it. We can't make it true or false. The only difference is in the two distinct feelings these words create. When you tag something as "false" you get an impression of it that is distinct from perceiving it as being "true". So if it is a matter of preference, then I believe that everything is true simply because I prefer the way it feels.

Perhaps a measurement of whether or not we should believe reality (or the illusion) is true or false is in what each belief incurs. It could even be that "false" for you creates the same impression that "true" does for me. So maybe the source of our inability to agree to what truth is lies in our inability to experience what other sentient beings experience. Because if your feeling of false is the same as my feeling as true, then I would just be like, "Oh, see! That's the truth!"

I think this raises the question of how anything that is purely true can result in anything that is purely false. How could God, being wholly true and without any falsehood whatsoever, create something completely false? Wouldn't it make more sense to say that the inherent truth of God is present in everything, since God would only have its own true self with which to manifest from?

 

I'm not a philosopher. That too, is a product of mind. I've distanced myself from it because I no longer am bound to the identity that came with it.

Until you do likewise, you're going to have a hard time with alot of what I say.

Truth has substance for the time you believe in it. It has none otherwise.


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I've been struggling with this for awhile now. You say that I am dreaming, and that this reality is just what I am creating in my dream. I am dreaming that I am awake. It isn't really truth. It's just a dream.

If that is the case, so be it.

But yet, YOU are a part of this reality/dream, you and every other person I have ever met or ever will meet, and all of those people that I wont meet.

Well, surely if I am dreaming my own reality, then so are all of you. but how can our fake reality dreams intertwine so?

we can't both be creating this at the same time, because if that was the case, you would be doing things that were outside of my control, and vice versa, which means that this stops being my sole reality.

so is that what you mean when you say we are all really one?

 

As this is off topic, I'll be brief.

All of creation has a central source. The more you move towards that source, the less personal identity matters. All rivers run into the sea...

There is only a singular consciousness. This is what is in everything that we would call living. Humans have the most consciousness. A microbe, the least.

But it's the same consciousness, just poured into different vessels. As long as it is contained within a vessel, it will enjoys it's own identity.

But behind all these trillions of vessels is a single controlling consciousness.




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so this singular consciousness is dreaming all of these seperate dreams?

sorry.

 

Neither truth nor untruth (falsehood) actually exist; they were dreamt up to help create the illusion of time.

The only moment that actually exists is the one we're currently in. All past moments have ended, all future moments have yet to occur (by moment, I am referring to the smallest existant unit of time). Since this is the only moment existing, everything else that exists must also exist in this moment. When we apply "truth" or "falsehood" to something, we are applying a judgement to it based on past, or even future, moments. However, we cannot know what doesn't exist, so we cannot know past or future moments; we can know only the current moment.

Applying truth or falsehood is a device for embracing the continuity of time; but there is no continuity of time, everything exists in the current instant, and only the current instant, and whatever is in it, actually exists.

 

which is what?

 

From that side, it's not a dream. There is no partial consciousness at work like with humans. Its more akin to playing with dolls and breathing life into them.

It's a dream from the doll's point of view. Because this doll has limitations caused by the way it's designed. It has a faint spark of conscious energy and can only see so far with it.


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I mean an instant; a period of time so small that you can't even acknowledge it until its over. A period of time immeasurably small. This may seem absurd- time itself as an absurd idea.

 

but you can always so smaller than the smallest....b/c there is no smallest. just degrees of more and more small.

 

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I love this. I think it is great, I don't agree with it, but great argument. Now give me a few minutes to respond to the actual content...ha ha. But good argument.

 

I am right there with ya on this. I totally believe the same thing. Truth has substance for an amount of time, the time that you know it to be true. Once you know it to be untrue, or know something else to be true...then it ceases to be truth. It is the knowing that makes things true or untrue. If you can't know it to be true, then you can't be held accountable for not knowing something to be true, until you know it is....and then you can be held accountable.

But I feel like I am arguing in circles. Perhaps believing that truth is not constant through time takes as much of a leap of faith as believing it is.

I happen to find great solace in the fact that truth is not constant through time, and therefore may never be completely knowable (except perhaps at the nanosecond of death, since that would be the most you could possibly know to be true is right before you die...but I digress). I would say the majority of the world, however finds solace in believing there is at least one knowable truth. And I get that, too.

I do believe there is truth, I just don't believe it is knowable or constant. I think as humans, we can move towards the truth. In fact, by existing we automatically move towards the truth. And the point isn't getting there, cause that would mean the end of life. The point isn't knowing the ultimate truth, it is in knowing your personal truth.

Whoa. Okay... a bit tangential. Anyhow, I totally get what you're saying x. Even if we don't agree on the details.

 

Read this with your signature at the end as one complete thought!

Sorry, I just...that's a really good way of explaining it. And then just ending with "Imagine peace." It just.....I know it sounds stupid, but imagine peace. imagine everyone understanding and imagining peace. Sorry...I know I'm kinda pointing out the obvious. It's just a very good way of putting it.

 

What are you talking about? Ofcourse you can reach this plane, I have several times already. Why are you limiting yourself? You are fully aware of it, yet you believe you can't reach it? Why? Are you not a human being like myself? Are you less divine than I or anyother human being?

No, you're not, so what's stopping you? I know I am able to do EVERYTHING I need/want to do outside of the physical reality (afterdeath), in this life. We are fully capable.

You have to learn to live in the eternally present now, than you'll no longer be living inside a cage.

I've experienced the afterlife in this life for crying out loud, if anything, I am walking, living, breathing proof of the abilities of humans.

Don't try and say we could never know the absolute truth, that is just not true.

Truth is not static, however, it is always changing, it's called evolution, truth changes along with everything else. Truth 2,000 years ago is not the same as truth today and truth today won't be the same as truth tomorrow.

Consciously evolve with truth/everything around you, and you'll always know the truth. It's called eternity.

We are comprised of 4 main selfs, body, heart, mind, and soul. Truth is contained in all 4. When one is fully enlightened, he is not just enlightened in the mind, he is enlightened in his heart, soul, legs, arms, feet, and hands. DNA.

Each 4 parts of you, can individually and collectivley give you the truth and answers you seek. You'll know absolute truth when it resonates with all 4 parts, not just the mind or soul.

Syzygy = the joining of 2 entities without loss of individuality. There is never a death of individuality, Xexon, even when we all combine again to be fully whole, we will all retain our individuality. Perhaps you mean entering the level of feeling whole with everything? That makes more sense, when you are able to do this, you will constantly ALWAYS know truth. Yet you say we can't go there?

I don't think so Xexon.

 

Now.