is "time" real

time is not "real" im saying that in properties of space and what will be here once we are gone is just change and space...gravity and shit will still exist..gravitys another thing gravity is a property WITHIN matter (solids) not a property of space as einstien would have you believe

 

because 2 objects made of solid matter must exist for gravity to exist

 

makes sense but how come the black hole has so much gravity?

 

There is only this moment
There are no objects
There is no time
There is no way to measure it, rationalize it, or quantify it without getting further away from it.

 

yea much more complicated than that...god isnt real....time isnt real time is a man made interval of change deriving from perception of sight

 

very good question :hat:

 

I think motion is one of the trust and simultaneously most untrue ways of measuring occurances. When you think about it, motion needs both time and space to occur...so is motion really the ultimatum, the combination of the two? Or is it just another thing that relies on the two?

 

possibly gravity and change could be concerte in the universe...gravity could be some kind of variance of change.....black holes are the absense of matter so therefor its not necessarily "gravity" that is causing a black hole but could be just the fact that nothing is something that sucks up everything....

 

Ok... Gravity IS real and Time IS real. Space and time are interwoven and form the fabric of space/time. Space and time are essentially the same thing; if you move through space you are also moving through time, the reverse is also true. Gravity is the displacement of this fabric by objects, the heavier the object the higher the gravitational pull. Also, gravity is not a "property" of anything it is one of the four fundamental forces of nature along with electromagnetism, strong nuclear, and weak nuclear.

A black hole was once a very large star when it dies all of its mass gets condensed into an incredibly small amount of super-dense heavy matter; since it is so small and so heavy it pulls the fabric down into a funnel type of shape. The gravity is so intense that nothing can escape once it reaches the event horizon, not even light. It also disrupts time and the perception of it, because as I stated before, space and time are intertwined.

This is all really basic physics and can be found in the work of Einstien (specifically the theory of general relativity.) Newton's laws of gravity were overturned when Einstien's theory of general relativity was proven to be true.

 

ok buddy im not looking for your textbook definitions on whatever fucking retarded shit u just spewed on my thread... this is the only valid thing u said "Also, gravity is not a "property" of anything it is one of the four fundamental forces of nature along with electromagnetism, strong nuclear, and weak nuclear." gravity MAY be that but MAY be a property of SOLID MATTER is what I am saying...u have no proof of what u claim......TIME IS DEFINETLY NOT REAL!! TIME IS HUMAN MADE INTERVALS OF CHANGE!!!! TIME IS SIMPLY A FUCKING MEASUREMENT BY WHICH OUR BRAINS PERCEIVE CHANGE!!!

 

im not quite sure what your trying to get at.

just because we make a system for measuring something it doesn't mean that what we are measuring isn't real. we can't measure something that isn't there to begin with. time is as real as everything in reality, if you view reality in a dualistic sense.

however, limitations are not originally grounded in the meanings of life. originally words had no fixed meanings. differences only arose through looking at things subjectively.

so like i said earlier, our minds permeate reality. it may not be real, but by observing it, it becomes real. subjective observation is the architect of reality. so because we are able to observe time, and we do observe time, it is as real as anything. but how real is anything? well that is for you to decide.

we put thirty spokes together and call it a wheel;
but it is on the space where there is nothing that the utility of the wheel depends.
we turn clay to make a vessel;
but it is on the space where there is nothing that the utility of the vessel depends.
we pierce doors and windows to make a house;
and it is on these spaces where there is nothing that the utility of the house depends.
therefore just as we take advantage of what is, we should recognise the utility of what is not.

so just as we turn clay, we observe and permeate reality; and just as the utility of the clay vessel lies within the empty space, so does the utility of 'everything' lie within the empty spaces of reality -- those parts which are not observed, true love, meaning. but we still require the subjective observations as a structure to contain that empty space, to define it.

 

time does not exist.

There is only what IS

 

Easy there kid no need to be hostile. I'm sorry that you feel that science is "fucking retarted shit" but everything I said is valid and HAS BEEN PROVEN. But I guess you are smarter than Einstein though, right? All of this has been contemplated, theorized, and mostly figured out by people far smarter than you or I; it is all there for you to read and discover. And time is real as I stated before it is intertwined with space, the two cannot exist seperately, if you move through one you move through the other.

You seem to be stuck on the idea of "time" as in our clocks and calendars, which are man-made, but this isn't time this is the measurement of time as we experience it here on Earth, but time can be experienced many different ways throughout the Universe, depending on many factors. Real Time is a much harder concept for people to grasp and it is always there and always will be no matter what you call it. It is what causes the changes that you speak of.

You can believe whatever you want to, but I highly suggest you read about the topics that were discussed and LEARN about the issues before you say something isn't valid because every word of what I said is VALID and is common knowledge in physics.


To Desos: Excellent Tao Te Ching quote, very fitting.

 

ok, i have read the works of Einstein and I know his theories as well as many other philosophers of all kinds of subjects. All I am saying to you is to see that you say its been proven that space and time are interwoven and you cannot have one without the other im saying space and Chang are interwoven and you cannot have one without the other (maybe you could have space without change[in your words=maybe space could exist without time]), time is simply a measure of change therefor change is the one being measured THEREFOR space is intertwined with change, not time.... time is all in how the brain of a human being (mammal;animal) sees change happen.

 

read the works of Heraclitus then come tell me how your minds just been blown... he was an ancient greek philosopher

 

time is only reletive to the perceiver and only exists so everything doesnt happen all at once so our survival mode brains can perceive the change happening. do you ever wonder if a fly or a tortise perceives its life differnet cause of their size and length of life

 

"Will you write me a response if you have DSL backwards"?

I finally figured that one out! heee!