Is there such a thing as a Christian?

It can be communicated, but the listener has to also be receptive to the communication. You have not exhibited such receptivity, as exemplified by this remark among many;
"Admits that my understanding of the bible is that it is non sense?"

You have already determined that it is nonsense, and now you do not strive for understanding, but rather to convince others of the determination you have arrived at.
One important aspect of ALL religious belief that you seem to also not acknowledge or respect is personal subjective experience.
Devoid of subjective experience, all religious thought appears to be nonsense.
Everything in life and human experience can't be put under a microscope and scientifically dissected. Some things just are.

Seriously, I think a good 3-4 grams of decent mushrooms or 300ugs of LSD would go a long way to altering your opinion of these topics.

It is kind of like trying to explain an orgasm to another person who has never experienced one.
You can list all the physiological responses, neuro-transmitter activity, and present every single scientific fact relating to orgasm.
But until the other person actually experiences an orgasm, all such scientific observations fail to relate the experience.
The same holds true for religious experience, that is why I don't bother to try to communicate the religious experiences I may have had to you and how the subjective experience can and does lend validity to the religious thought and writings.

I'm curious, why do think I believe and what do you think I believe, considering I have not really revealed my beliefs in this discussion?

 

Why is that do you think?

I consider love and reality to be synonymous terms because we are supported in reality. My view of reality is it is non local, nor is it remote, and what is not real does not exist.
The etymology of the word condition is one thing. It describes the way we create conditions for ourselves, we speak them into the world.

 

thedope:

Because it is always in something. 'Faith' is too often confused, as though it were a faculty possessing its own reason.

Faith is not genius

Everything exists inherently. Love is human, however one looks at it.

Condition as reality.

 

So is faith.

What I mean by without condition.

Condition on the experience of reality.

 

Like 'God' for instance? My "faith" is in humanity.

It is not without the human condition.

Whatever conditions we may set upon it, reality is still its own condition.

 

Thought you preferred trust.
So there is an element of guilt by association regarding the word faith.

What is his condition if not described.

If we describe it.

 

You are splitting hairs...Recognition functions through method to produce information.

You are calling things faith where your description doesn't fit. There is
no faith in knowing a projectile has a trajectory just like there is no faith
in knowing that a car will stay in its lane. The evidence is in itself because
you would not have "faith" in a swerving driver, it would be reason to
distrust. You do not have to have faith that there is an explanation for
something that happened because the event expresses the logic of the
equation. That we reduce it to "That man is a good driver" and "That plane
is fast!" is in itself, logic. Half of the equation is in your head, the other
half is outside of it.

You keep saying you have "a little willingness to let the truth appear"

The truth will appear whether we are willing to accept it or not. Its the only
thing that can appear.

The earth was never flat.

And whats that?

I think you should re-read this with a little less cynicism.

Your also not really helping your argument by telling me to temporarily lose my
sanity to understand where your coming from.

Your also assuming what i haven't done already.

 

:smilielol5:

 

Was it an accurate statement? Accuracy is fine tuning. You are either sloppy with your statements or you haven't fully considered them.

No you are using a particular conjugation of the word faith and allowing no other. I am using the word faith in the aspect of confidence or trust, not as you are, in the sense of a symbol chosen to represent an unknown variable.

The truth does not need to be believed to be what it is, however the truth may remain unrecognized because of belief, because of previous learning.
Unless we know everything we waste time if we do not move from what we know to what we have yet to learn.

Because the mind is abstract.

 

Originally Posted by heeh2
"Recognition functions through method to produce information."

Do you mean the compatibility of molecules?

 

You are repeating what i'm saying and drawing distinctions that i already
recognize.

I've already explained why confidence and trust is not "suspending judgement"

Why are you ignoring this?

What does this mean, the mind is not a product of the body?

 

Then why did you say I was splitting hairs? What I did was point out a discrepancy between what you were saying and the facts.

You haven't made the demonstration you claim to have made.
And I have explained how faith is, in the way I am positing it, a temporary suspending of judgment, to come to no conclusion until the facts are in.

Why do you ignore this?

The mind is abstract. You cannot measure mind. Mind constructs a simulation of the environment. When we look at a tree the tree does not go into your head but you view it there. You can look at a tree with eyes open then you can see that same tree with eyes closed. Your mind can call up events from the past so to speak, even tough the past is not present.

 

thedope:

I do prefer 'trust' to 'faith'. I do not feel 'guilt' in using the word faith. There is definitely a measure of distaste however. lol "Faith" is associated with a whole host of religious notions that my humour is prepared to overlook, but not stomach per se : D

Whose?

I do not place such a condition on reality, yet I do think it is desirable that we make reality our own.

The so-called 'suspension of judgement' is itself a judgement, based upon distrust of the senses.

Religion will perish by its own hand. It has been written. : D

 

The guilt is in the verdict against the use of the word. Unsuitable by virtue of past associations.

Mans

That you prefer to use one word over another is to choose the conditions you wish to experience.

Granted, we may refer to any level of decision making, as judgment.

As it should be. The greatest desire of a teacher is that they no longer be needed.

 

lol I am guilty of personal preference?

Inborn

In part. Creating our condition in whole is only possible by making up our mind together. Waiting for our mind to be made up is the history of religion; a setting apart.

Religion, a teacher?! What is the greatest desire of a security guard?

 

Nothing short of a crucifiction. Ascension is expressly forbidden, both before or after resurrection.

 

No, faith became a "dirty" word by virtue of past association.

An essential condition of embodiment that needn't be further described but most often is, or more often encouraged.

We enter the ark of condition two by two male and female each according to their kind.

The universe is made of information. The desire of a security guard is that things remain secure. We all teach and we all teach all the time.

 

Diminished in potency.

Entering life, we don't think of hanging on.

 

There are no idle thoughts, who's potency is diminished?

We come here thinking there is good for us and we must have it. We come seeking.

 

You mean whose. I was referring to the word faith.

I don't think it's dirty, just difficult. : D