Is the world going to end as predicted by Jerry?

I think the Apocalyspe sounds more exciting.

 

Some obversations about biblical prophesies:

It is true that the Old Testament is full of highly accurate prophesies about the life and ministry of Jesus Christ. This hardly surprising for three reasons:

1.) Jesus was aware of the prophecies, saw himself as their fulfillment, and conducted his ministry accordingly.
2.) His followers understood his words and ministry in the context of the prophesies (in which they were well versed) and this likely influenced how he was remembered.
3.) When the Gospels were written, 50-100 years after the fact, human memory was somewhat limited and the Old Testament prophesies were used to fill in the gaps.

The amazing thing is not that the Gospel conforms to the prophetic tradition, but that it still provides us with a vivid picture of a ministry that extends way beyond that tradition.

Most new testament 'prophesies' are found in the Gospels and in the Book of Revelations; and these sources have a decidedly different character. Jesus spoke often of human destiny and end times but his words for the most part were more about the importance of being always heedful and ready for change than about specifics. Those instances where he did give specifics - "not one stone left upon another", "The desolating sacrilege where it ought not to be" (excuse me; I am paraphrasing from memory & can't give chapter & verse) - although they may well apply to us now, were understood by the Gospel writers to apply to the destruction of the temple and the dispersal of the Jews in 70 AD. Remember that they were living through this period of history.

I have no idea why the Book of Revelations was added to the New Testament when it was compiled at the council in Nicea under the direction of the Emperor Constantine. It is neither gospel nor epistle and is viewed by many (notably Martin Luthor) as not a particularly christian work. Nonetheless, it stands on its own as a literary work that may be interpreted as prophesy, allegory, or myth. I personally read it as a mythic allegory of the journey of the human soul - but human history at large is also a manifestation of that same journey, so there will certainly be correlations.

Chaos theory (a relatively recent and exciting branch of mathematics) demonstrates that systems based on simple rules executed repeatedly can become Chaotic, and that Chaotic systems yield patterns (often beautiful and complex) that can be recognized but not predicted. I suspect that arts such as Prophecy, Astrology and the like deal with exactly such chaotic systems - which is why they are such potent tools for recognising and illuminating life's patterns and understanding life's possibilities but are generally ineffective when it comes to predicting future events.

 

WRONG! The exact number of authors is 40 or 42. Please study more carefully before sharing your info.

Don't forget that through history the Vatican and other people/instances did add some verses too...

There's a wonderful story in the Bible, Matthew 7 to be exact, which I love:
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam [is] in thine own eye?

 

At least I'm not judgmental like some people I could mention...

 

Yet the prophecies are continued to be fulfilled even today.... The romans must have done something rite cus they are predicting things even today. However let us not forget the dead sea scrolls. These scrolls have been untouched for hundreds of years the Romans never touched them... and what the scrolls say are basically what is written today.

 

Yes you are right about that... there are 66 books but there were instances where the same author wrote a number of books (ie Paul)

I must state though the Bible that we have today is basically the same from when it was first written. We know this because of the scrolls that have been untouched and unedited for hundreds of years.

 

Have you found a prophecy up to this date that was not fulfilled.

 

I think the first testament is 100% true, no one changed a word. Which I can't say about the second testament, no scroll is left.

 

I didn't want to get involved with all of this but I just couldn't resist.

Now I'm not saying that the Bible was a work of fiction because believe it or not I do have a deep faith in God. I just don't believe in the Bible. It is quite possible that God came down and gave inspiration to men (and possibly women) to write His word. Over the years though.......things probably changed according to the times.

I'm sure that the dead sea scrolls were true to the hand of God but you don't think that the first thing they did when they found them we to run out to the nearest televison station and broadcast the excact translation to the masses. No, that's not the way politics work. Why am I bringing politics into this? The world of man is a political place. What if one of those scrolls told us that the world was going to end in three weeks....the church wouldn't let that out. They couldn't have control over the masses.

Faith in God has to come from within yourself, not from within the pages of a book.

I don't believe that God is going to come down here and destroy all those who don't have faith. It's not His style, even if the Bible says so. He is about protection, love and the well being of all life. The worst that will happen is that someday the true believers will disapper and God would leave the remainder behind to deal with our own shit.

So go ahead, throw your quotes from the Bible at me telling me that I'm wrong. Knock yourself out because I hold strong to my belief just as I except you to hold on to yours.

Brian

 

A belief should be based on evidence, and not personal opinion. The Bible is not the kind of Book you can just pick and choose. It is either fully the Word of God, or it is a big lie. If you are looking for the proof of the Bible, you simply need to look to it's prophecies. The God of the Bible states, He is comeing back, and as proof of that, He has given us signs to watch for.

1. The return or the Jews to Israel.
2. The Jews retaking Jerusalem.
3. Jerusalems East Gate will remain sealed no matter who tries to open it. And only when God returns to the earth will the Gate be opened.

There are actually many more prophecies like this, but the point I am making is, the Bible is telling you the truth. The whole description of what is going to happen in our future is recorded in the Bible. That also includes, what is going to happen here in America.

 

If the Bible isn't about picking and choosing then why do we have all of these different religons based around God? Don't think about this one because the answer is people like pick and choose what they want. People like to be right because if humanity feels rejected if they aren't. Take me for example. Why am I trying to convince you to have FAITH IN GOD without having to look into a book? That's because I don't want to feel rejected...everyone likes to one up everyone at sometimes.

I have no clue about this but if you could enlighten me on this subject it would be nice . Seriously, I may be an asshole but I'm not a fucking asshole.

I understand what you are trying to say but now you brought America into it. Where in the Bible does the exact word "America" show up? Not a bunch of words that make it sound like it's talking about America but the exact word.

 

In the Bible, Babylon is used to describe America. You may say that is a stretch but keep in mind that you will never find the exact word "Jesus" in the OT. However, their are over 300 descriptions of who found throughout the whole OT. Likewise, the descriptions (Jeremiah 50 & 51 and Revelation 18) of Babylon can only fit one country and that country is AMERICA.

 

God knows all. Argue for your limitations and sure enough they are yours; work for good.

 

The world has many religions, but outside of the Jewish and Christian faiths,
none have been started by God. The Jews believe in the Old Testament, but the Jews donot believe that Jesus fulfilled the 300 prophecies of the Old Testament. Yet the Old Testament states that when the Masiah would come, His own people the Jews would reject Him, and the Gentile nations would embrace Him. And that is exactly what happened. The God of the Bible has stated, that even though His own people have rejected Him, He would use the nation of Israel in the last days to reveal His Glory to the world. You can read about what is going to happen in Israel by reading Ezekiel chapters 37,38,and 39.
The word for America will not be found in the Bible, for the Bible does not really give names that way. Rather it uses descriptions which actually is often more revealing than names. The Bible speaks about a nation that would exist near the end of time that would be considered the merchant nation of the world, it would be built on many waters, it would be a nation of mingled people, it would be able to mount up to heaven, it would have her own inland sea, it would be a great military power, she would have a mountain of war, she will have a large Jewish population within her borders, ect, ect, I could go on, but when you are finished, you know who the Bible is talking about.
This nation will be targeted by a new group of northern nations that will rise up againts her. The Bible states it will be a sneak attack. It also states that all of her cities will burn, and her end will come in one hours time. For those who are not christian, God will give a period of 2 years for those living in America to escape and get out. In this two year period, many if not most of the Jews will return to Israel. I don't see this hapening for at least another twenty five years, but I believe I will live to see it. For the Christians living in America, there will be no need to escape. For God will of made other plans for them.

 

We can all be viewed as engineers. We should build good things. Humans have memory and are able to learn, but learning requires humility along with other qualities. Following is an old Internet post of mine that I have modified for this thread.

What a wonderful reality that we are able to express our ideas, opinions, and are able to learn. In some places, in some realities, there are people, groups of people, who would hurt or end ones life for expressing an idea or opinion. The only way to learn is to have, at least, a sense of freedom about our ability to express ourselves. I have found that not pre-judging, not making a conclusion, about the 'ten thousand' experiences that we encounter everyday is actually difficult and is part of the art of living and learning; to have reserve and to lucidly experience is an art. And, this art requires one to have self-honesty and sincere want, possibly "need", to know the truth.

I pose this question: if a person had walked down the street in New York 150 years ago wearing some of the clothing that we wear today, say a 'bathing suit', they might very well have been killed. Does the fact that wearing this clothing would have been considered wrong and very bad make it actually wrong and bad ? And what if it were a situation where the afore mentioned person tried to not "inflict" their activity on others but, instead, had a "reasonably" private area were they would wear these clothes but someone found out and told the greater community about these activities going on in this "reasonably private area," do you think that these people wearing the unusual clothes would be left alone by the greater community ? I think they would have been "attacked" in primitive manner and possibly destroyed.

I am not saying that there is not truth, but, instead, I am trying to pose the idea that humans are extremely complex and varied; and, that finding the truth, finding new vistas, new realities, requires, sometimes, among other qualities, courage. This point is subtle to many people, and likely it would be "glossed over' by many as not significant. It is sometimes a frightening thing "to not know." And people, often, will react to what they do not understand in a foolish manner and as if "they do understand" while not being fully conscious of the reality that they do not understand. Finding the protocols that facilitate productive, and good, communication and being open in order to gain a true understanding is an art; yet answers are readily available to us. Opening up to the reality, and having sincere respect, of the fact the human consciousnesses are widely varied is key to the survival and evolution of good and just groups of people - be it family, community or government.


Peace to all people,

David

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Do you have television at home? Check up on CNN sometimes...

 

Turn back to your tail and hear
the wind in the trees.
Shine arrogance in his face ?
Sit in reverence as if at his feet,
and listen.







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Of coarse the world will end, by some natural catastophie, a asteroid, or we'll just use up every resource and kill each other off in a nuclear war, all kinds of things could/will happen. One day the sun will burn out. I don't think the world will end in my life time, however. Although nothing is promised in life except death and on that day the world will end for me