Is the occult harmless fun?

1. the occult is "fun" for non-believers, it's real for most who practice it.
2. whether there is "magic" present or not, what makes something dangerous is ultimately how the human acts on it.

 

also, if you're christian, you should be leaning more on the NT than the OT for interpretation.

 

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any belief, no matter how mainstream nor esoteric, can be non-harmless. just totally depends on what its used as an excuse for.
whatever's out there, everything humans think they know about it, well almost everything, and there's no real way of knowing what might not have been,
has been made up by humans ourselves.

so whatever you make up yourself to believe, with a few exceptions, has as good a chance of relating to what exists, as anything someone else tells you.

occult simply means hidden, and as such, is too broad a term from which to extract some specific meaning.

i don't think strangeness should be mocked however. the harm in doing so is not from nor because of the strangeness itself,
its a matter of what doing so a person does to themselves on a subconscous level.

loving the unknown, without pretending to know what isn't known, i don't believe any real god or whatever else there might be,
if it is truly good and means well, could logically have any problem with that.

whatever any book may say to the contrary of that, remember all such books are written by humans, however long ago or not.

magic, unknown, gods, beliefs, these are all things that can vary in relation to each other, that cannot be demonstrated to be any more dependent on each other, then all things are to some small percentage degree to begin with.

a lot people i think, want something that can take the place of doing their own logic, figuring things out for themselves, they expect, whatever they believe to this for them.
well it doesn't really work that way. basically what ritual does, is you're programing your own subconscous mind.

anything you can say about a minority belief, even a minority of one, your own or someone else's, applies exactly the same to an major belief, even the absolutely most common and dominant where you happen to live, be that christianity, islam, buddhism or whatever else it may be.

many earlier beliefs get a worse rap then they deserve. i really think the question is too general though.

whatever your beliefs, what you ignore at your own parrel, is how things actually work,
with or without, how you choose to perceive of the unknown.

i would not be inconsiderate of what is not known, simply because it is not known.
i think people make a mistake to do that,
and the followers of major belief systems are no less guilty of this error,
then those who follow what feels right to their own heart.

 

Those who pray to evil, are preyed upon by evil

 

My only experience with anything resembling this was when I once went to a spiritualist church after being invited by a woman I knew. I thought it was simply BS. Nonsense. Just fakery.

After the meeting I was somewhat surprised to be asked back to the local pub for a drink with my friend and a small group of others, and got invited to a weekend orgy in Wales! Have to say I was a bit shocked. I'd hung out with hippes and freaks for many years but this was the first time anything like that happened.

Needless to say I declined, as I'm not a swinger, and that was the sum of my experience with spiritualism.

 

There's no evil entity or force to prey on those who believe they're praying to evil.

The only danger here is between our ears. StellarCoon said it well.

 

I do not look at it from the Christian sense since they are against all witchcraft. The idea that you a human has a way to control the world is counter to the idea of Jesus. It's blasphemy and automatically bad.

Witchcraft is not like that. Most of it is for good and not what Christians would call witchcraft. You should understand what you are doing though. A lot of kids will get a Ouija board and think of it as harmless fun. You can easily have something attach itself to you.

Also a lot of the metal or rap you listen to is coded with demonic messages. Listening to it is an invite to dark forces. They think "well this person wants me in their life. This is why they listen to black metal".

You have to invite much of this stuff in or it has no power over you. With music many people don't think it can harm. But consider what metal and rap is about. Money, death in horrid ways, revenge, power etc. This is not good music. It does place you on a good path. Not all music is bad but these types are written to have a rhythm and lyrics which cause harm. Everything is vibration and intent. They understood this in the old world. A certain drum beat is for good spirits another one calls bad.

Outside the Oujia board and music most people will never find anything "demonic". These two things exist to introduce people to the possibility of being owned by an entity.

 

God does kill. If you don’t listen to his words. He does expect obedience. This was Moses writing for the nation of Israel, doing their best to carve out pure worship that is not tainted.

 

You’re kidding right? There is no demonic coding in heavy metal. If you play it backwards, it’s just music backwards.

 

That gets on my nerves. How can they call it spiritualism when it so much revolves around the flesh? I just see it as a way to get people to drop their guard and lend you their trust, so that you can take advantage of them for your own personal, fleshly gratification. It's so gross. I don't even think those people should rightly call themselves hippies. Or maybe yippies were the ones who actually had personal integrity.

 

Acts 19:19
Indeed, quite a number of those who practiced magical arts brought their books together and burned them up before everybody. And they calculated their value and found them worth 50,000 pieces of silver.

 

If worship was practiced under the threat of being killed by the god, then it was tainted from the start.

 

Real or imagined if you believe you’re possessed the threat is real and the suffering unimaginable

 

Occultists in general promote irrationalism. I think that's undesirable in itself. Occultists often talk of two paths to esoteric knowledge: the Right Hand Path (RHP) of spiritual pursuits and the Left Hand Path of materialistic values, self-deification, and rejection of societal norms. Followers of the latter path include the late British occultist Alester Crowley and his disciples, the late Kenneth Grant and Michael Staley of the Typhon Thelemic) Order; the American Satanist Anton Levay, the Temple of Set (Satanism with an Egyptian flavor), the Dakhma of Angra Mainyu (Zoroastrian version), and the Odinist community (Norse neo-paganism). In my opinion, if you take any of it seriously, you're messed up in the head, but the Left-Handed types are actively embracing evil.

 

Sorry but I should have be more clear. The spiritualist church folks weren't hippies. They were pretty much straight laced. That's partly why I was surprised. Also the fact that although partly based on mediums, the spiritualist church refer to themselves as Christian. During all the many years of hanging out with hippie types prior to that, I'd never been invited to group sex before.
Shows how corrupt and seedy mainstream 'culture' can be.

 

But belief in an indescribable god, its describable son, and a holy ghost is not messed up?

 

Man....just stay away from that BULLSHIT!

 

Belief in unconditional love for all humans, especially society's rejects, doesn't strike me as messed up, nor does it seem that messed up to believe in concepts that humans don't fully understand (gravity, multiple universes, etc.) I think some of the Nicene creedal doctrines are questionable, but metaphorical understandings of them seem harmless enough.