Is The Mrm About Equality

Is the men's rights movement about equality, or something else???

 

Bit of a daft question. The MRM is not some abstract absolute floating outside of individuals. MRM is a living breathing organic movement that can range from equality MRM (Equal rights under the law, especially in areas relating to divorce and child custody) all the way to the more radical MRM (Openly hostile to women, especially liberated independent women, interested in social engineering, thought police). You'll come across all sorts, most are somewhere in the middle.

 

A double-whammy! Here we go - I better not miss a damn thing

 

there's a men's rights movement?

 

Depends on why you move to the right.

 

Yes, there's a men's rights movement. They're concerned with issues such as the issues in this meme. As an egalitarean, who believes inequalities are wrong when those inequalities are a result of discrimination regardless of race and gender, I believe many of these issues have merit.

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not one mention in that chart of the what I believe to be the most troubling issue for modern men - custody rights.
so what are men's rights activists doing about any of that?

 

[SIZE=10pt]Yeah, I don’t know why father’s rights aren’t mentioned in the meme. In general, I rarely hear of father’s rights on MRA sites. I don’t know why that is. I do know there are organizations dedicated exclusively to fathers rights though.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Personally I’ve chosen to opt out of marriage and fatherhood. Don’t get me wrong, I love women. I love their companionship and I love sex, but as someone who was abused by step-parents, I’ve come to the conclusion that a few fleeting moments of pleasure aren’t worth the lifetime of consequences to me, but especially an innocent child.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]…And the odds and consequences of divorce are so bad for men. For example:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]More than 50% of marriages end in divorce[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]70% of those divorces are initiated by women[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]And family/divorce courts are notoriously biased against men[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Anyways…here are some excerpts from a wiki article about father’s rights….[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Baskerville writes that proposals to enact shared parenting laws are opposed by divorce lawyers, and he says that "radical feminist" groups oppose shared parenting because of the possibility of domestic violence and child abuse[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Mo Yee Lee states that joint custody arrangements are good for children only if there is no conflict between the parents.[63][/SIZE] Feminist groups state that if shared parenting were ordered, fathers would not provide their share of the daily care for the children.[SIZE=7.5pt][45][/SIZE] The National Organization For Women also questions the motives of those promoting shared parenting, noting that it would result in substantial decreases in or termination of child support payments
[SIZE=10pt]Pro-feminist sociologist Michael Flood[/SIZE] states that supporters of shared parenting use it only as a symbolic issue related to "rights", "equality", and "fairness" and that the father's rights movement is not actually interested in the shared care of their children or the children's wishes, adding that fathers’ rights groups have advocated policies and strategies which are harmful to mothers and children and also harmful to the fathers themselves.[SIZE=7.5pt][72][/SIZE] In contrast, social scientist Sanford Braver states that the bad divorced dad image is a myth that has led to harmful and dangerous social policies
[SIZE=10pt]Some feminist writers[who?[/SIZE]] have accused the father's rights movement of putting the interests of fathers above the interests of children, for example, by suggesting that it is acceptable for fathers to withdraw child support if they are not given access to their children, or lobbying for changes in family law that would allegedly "heighten children's exposure to abusive fathers."[SIZE=7.5pt][46][/SIZE][SIZE=7.5pt][111][/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Feminists Martha Fineman, Michael Flood[/SIZE], and others have criticized the movement for allegedly perpetuating negative stereotypes of women as deceptive, vindictive, and irresponsible, as well as the stereotype that women are out to take advantage of men financially
[SIZE=medium]http://www.ask.com/wiki/Fathers'_rights_movement?o=2800&qsrc=999&ad=doubleDown&an=apn&ap=ask.com[/SIZE]

 

New record...lol

 

[/QUOTE]The only issue in the meme I believe does not have merit is the ratio of men who live past 100. I believe that's an inequality that's a result of biology, not discrimination. The other issue that possibly does not have merit is the 9:1 ratio of workplace deaths. Generally, those jobs are generally more physical therefore generally they are done by men. Therefore, again that's possibly another inequality that's a result of biology and not discrimination.

 

Percentage of fathers unknowingly raising a child not their own approaching 4%??

How the heck do you make up a statistic like that?

 

Good point

I do know their are men paying child support to mothers for children they know aren't their own, though.

 

That's either keep-quiet money or plain stupid.

 

I dont see how this is discrimination. Any idiot can request a DNA test. It would only be discrimination if the court denied the right to a DNA test.

 

It's always interesting to watch MRAs and what they say, and watch what people say about MRAs.

I have yet to see the "woman hating" equivalent of a feminist, only in favor of men. Are they there? Sure, maybe like two. Where's all that bullshit about MRAs not being in it for child custody coming from? Most of us either have kids, or have been wrongly accused of rape or violence. The driving force to be an MRA is being terribly wronged by the system that feminists have helped to set up - it's not some sort of "I don't get enough pussy, should probably hate women and be a social pariah" thing. We got the pussy, we have the kids, we're over the pussy and dealing with everyone else's pussy bias and tendency to side with emotional appeals and logical fallacies presented by feminists over logic presented by men.

 

roor, are you kidding me? I dont know any women hating mras in real life, or any mras in real life for that matter. But they're all over the fucking internet, including hipforums. I have seen so much hate spread against women on the internet it makes me sick. Luckily I've never experienced that kind of hate in real life.
you're seriously one of the only men claiming to be an mra ive come across who can talk sensibly without showing hatred towards women.

 

Remember that the internet is full of internet.

Being an MRA and actually really hating women just doesn't make any sense. You don't get ANY benefit from it, there seems to be this myth of the sexually frustrated guy who comes home from the bar alone and becomes an MRA.... Yeah, that didn't happen. Ever. Maybe someone who's severely autistic or otherwise mentally handicapped?

"hey, so I hate feminists, because they're a bunch of spiteful hypocritical frauds who love being victims, rape culture is an insidious lie designed to drive a wedge between the sexes to further the despicable ends of feminists, men need the right to choose as much as women do, drunk sex is not rape and you cannot decide that it was after the fact, the patriarchy is a magical explanation that answers all feminism's problems if you accept that every man has been evil and oppressed every woman since the beginning of time. Also, we should go out some time"

There are, of course, people who don't like feminism for all sorts of reasons, who are not MRAs.

 

[SIZE=14pt]Of course, the men who take the tests already question their paternity, and for about 30 percent of them, their hunch is right. Yet as troubled as many of them might be by that news, they are even more stunned to discover that many judges find it irrelevant. State statutes and case law vary widely, but most judges conclude that these men must continue to raise their children — or at least pay support — no matter what their DNA says. The scientific advance that was supposed to offer clarity instead reveals just how murky society’s notions of fatherhood actually are.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Even in paternity cases simpler than that of Mike and L., nonbiological fathers often feel like serial dupes: their wives or girlfriends cheated on them, the children they thought were theirs aren’t and yet they are required to support children they did not create.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/22/magazine/22Paternity-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0[/SIZE]

 

[SIZE=14pt]The most extensive and authoritative report, published in Current Anthropology in 2006, analyzed scores of genetic studies. The report concluded that 2 percent of men with “high paternity confidence” — married men who had every reason to believe they were their children’s father — were, in fact, not biological parents. Several studies indicate that the rate appears to be far higher among unmarried fathers.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/22/magazine/22Paternity-t.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0[/SIZE]