Is the DEVIL real?

I read somewhere that he's a musician.

I never would of guessed that.

And no, I don't remember where I read it.

 

Naw. It's about the lulz.

But I do like playing with the literary paradigm. Like Shakespeare in the original Klingon. I tend to empathize with the characters in the bible that are painted as evil. Judas, P.Pilate and such. I find it to be an amusing twist to look at things from those character's perspectives.

 

if you're alive and have been on this planet long enough you will begin to realize that there is evil and there is a battle between good and evil going on. There can be no mistake about it. Ask any older person, as anyone who's been around and seen alot through out their life. It's real. There is a devil/satan but he comes as an angel of light. To deceive. Deception is his tool. And his army of darkness is growing and on the rise. Just look around, look real close. It's there. It's everywhere.

 

The battle between good and evil is only real if you look at life by measuring/judging everything as either good or evil. Hence why it is in the most objective sense just an abstract concept and only seems real because the majority of humans always look at life this way.

 

I used to scare myself so much as a little girl (probably around 6 or 7 years old) because I was convinced the devil would get me. I went to a strict catholic school and christianity was everywhere, on every wall, in every lesson, the devil was used as a scare tactic towards us. I never truly believed in god despite this, I always questionned things in bible studies and stuff without any answers that i was looking for (obviously they werent expecting young children to question what they were taught).
I remember the night I decided the devil wasnt real, still very young, but I was in bed, scared that he was coming to get me because of something I thought earlier that day. I remember comvincing myself that the thoughts in my head were the devil (really it was just a vivid imagination). I was so scared but decided from then on that if god let the devil into a childs head then god didnt exist. My crazy scary thoughts disappeared soon after that and I asked to stop going to church with my mum too.

I dont believe in the devil, or god. I dont believe in evil people either, just misguidance.

 

What is this magic age of realization?

 

Don't you know that you're not supposed to trust anyone past 30? Through out mankinds history, there are many periods, and many places where an age that spans over half a century is considered very old and wise.

I certainly don't consider myself old, but I do have three grandchildren. I do not see this universal battle between good and evil that you talk about. I do not see good and evil as universal. They are only human understandings of the universe.

I can look to people who are not only (or were not only) much older than me, but experienced the horrors of some of the worst human created evil to impact this planet first hand; some of who were even seduced by the evil-side, at least momentarily; and who made a life of exploring and contemplating the human condition, good and evil, and existence (most of them before experiencing this man-made evil, and some of them even anticipating it), I am talking about the European philosophers who lived through the past century. They did not find a universal battle between good and evil (and some of them believed in God (past tense because many are dead now), some have not answered the God question, but attemted to pave the way for philosophy to rediscover a god, if the answer to god's existence is ever a, 'very likely,' or even a, 'yes').

And of course there are plenty of people older than me--much older----much much older, (let me say much, much, much, much older than me---because really I'm still young... ...no seriously, I even have these new-fangled things that you put music on, and there are no grooves for the needle to fit into, but it still plays in that new-fangled recordplayer thing---a 'seedy,' no... wait, what is this thing? CD... and I listen to that new girl that is so popular now a days with you kids...), that agree with me, that there is no real devil---no superpowerful evil force in the universe that man, as a weak mortal, has to defend himself from, and that God, even as an all-powerful being has to battle and subdue so that one day all the mortal survivors will be happy and good all the time in a paradise made for them.

 

I see the Devil as sort of an embodiment of man's self-doubt. He's always testing people in the Bible, trying to drag them under. You could say there's a Devil in everyone, telling them things aren't going to be all right, that there's a big problem going on.

 

the modern idea of the devil is largely (indeed, almost entirely) an invention of 16th century German literature. He only came about after the protestant reformation.

what's interesting about the devil ISN'T that he's evil, its that he isn't, or might not be.

christian theology has links to manichean ideals, st. augustin wrote a lot about them. they believed that the world was divided exactly between good (the day) and evil (the night), therefore, there is a binary opposition between the two in christian ideology. there are "good" and "evil" spirits (sometimes called angels), with none inbetween.

in the renaissance, there was a resurgence of zoroastrian ideas that there might be "middle spirits", neither good nor bad, but a gradation between good and evil.

the devil, as he appears in literature, is diabolical (which means "overturning") he subverts the binary opposition of good and evil by being morally ambiguous, he is, potentially, a "middle spirit". Therefore dangerous to christian ideology because he undermines the binary opposition of good and evil on which the church is built.

he doesn't represent evil, he undermines the very concept of it.

mostly, far from being "the embodiment of evil" he is written as as an allegory of free will, individualism and enlightenment. and can be read as representing emancipation from the binary good/evil structure of religious dogma.

as for real? nope, don't think so. but he is more significant as metaphor anyway.

 

with age comes great wisdom. and you don't have to be religious or even spiritual to see patterns forming, to see the connections with everything. and then you go and research these patterns and you find that oh my god religion told us about all this. again modern churches are not what god is or not even what religion is. modern churches teach you a perversion of the truth. so you have to look at ancient texts and what they wrote to connect the dots. and when you do connect the dots it's mind blowing. because the devil is everywhere, but not wearing a cape and having horns on his head. evil is everywhere it's just a matter of whether you want to follow evil and use it's power.

 

Numbers, patterns, and signs in relation to religious war...what I think of it:

 

there is no such thing as a devil.its fictious.but evil dose exist in people.

 

Poor education exists in people too.

 

seems like it dose

 

are you a democrat/liberal/atheist?

 

hey maelstrom what about fallen angels, or nephilim? what about jinn demons or reptilian hybrid aliens? i would write off religion if there wasn't specific text about where humans came from. you see we're taught this modern religion that excludes alot of the old testament. You need to know the origin of man in order to understand what we are, what we're doing on this planet and then you just connect the dots and it comes to you. if you just write off spirituality which btw scientists admit there are multiple dimensions sitting on top of one another and different electro-magnetic frequencies that humans are tuned into. you are wrong maelstrom and you are a typical atheist who thinks you're smarter than people who are older and have a better understanding of life.

 

Idk check this shit out though, what do you think?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=186071

 

Mere bullshit created by man. We already know the origins of our species, but ignorant creationists refuse to allow the reason of science into their brainwashed minds.

 

yes, and he is a white guy.. opps, my bad he is a black guy. check back in 3.5 yrs. probably be white again.. but if the black guy really is the devil, then there will not be a next time..

 

yep I knew you were a liberal. why don't you open up your mind and come out of your hippie coma you're under. there are dark energies at work in our world and obviously in others we can't see. it's called possession, musicians say it all the time that the music isn't them it's some kind of force coming through them. and the lyrics are ideas that come to them but they admit it's other forces at work. alot of famous singers and bands openly talked about seances and ouija board use to get inspiration for music. it's called they use the dark/light energies and it energizes their soul, this is what they admit. this isn't made up. all through history there were stories of creatures that took on human form and acted as gods. what about the annunaki?