is suicide selfish or beautiful?

i think its pretty much impertinent. inconsiderate to leave a mess for someone else to clean up, not just physically, however much sense of glory there might also be in it. it is perhaps the ultimate victory over life and fear, yet at the same time, it is also perhaps something of a cheap one. it is, after all, not THAT difficult to die. only to actually choose to.

 

The giving of ones own life for a purpose greater than self is beautiful. It is also foreign concept to most of us westerners because self reigns supreme here.

 

thats why when i go im tying a cinder block around me and am going to jump in a lake. i wouldnt be able to take the pain of drowning so i think i will shoot myself as i jump.

 

I understand those that do. You didn't have say in being born into what's making you miserable. I don't support it however. Never will

 

Oh, Great Suicide Queen, how I wish you were still alive and writing your masterpieces...

Lady Lazarus

I have done it again.
One year in every ten
I manage it——

A sort of walking miracle, my skin
Bright as a Nazi lampshade,
My right foot

A paperweight,
My face a featureless, fine
Jew linen.

Peel off the napkin
O my enemy.
Do I terrify?——

The nose, the eye pits,
the full set of teeth?
The sour breath

Will vanish in a day.
Soon, soon the flesh
The grave cave ate will be

At home on me
And I a smiling woman.
I am only thirty.

And like the cat
I have nine times to die.
This is Number Three.

What a trash
To annihilate each decade.
What a million filaments.

The peanut-crunching crowd
Shoves in to see
Them unwrap me hand and foot——

The big strip tease.
Gentlemen, ladies
These are my hands

My knees.
I may be skin and bone,
Nevertheless, I am the same,

identical woman. The first
time it happened I was ten.
It was an accident.

The second time I meant
To last it out and not come back at all.
I rocked shut

As a seashell.
They had to call and call
And pick the worms off me like sticky pearls.

Dying
Is an art, like everything else.
I do it exceptionally well.

I do it so it feels like hell.
I do it so it feels real.
I guess you could say I’ve a call.

It’s easy enough to do it in a cell.
It’s easy enough to do it and stay put.
It’s the theatrical

Comeback in broad day
To the same place, the same face,
the same brute

Amused shout:
‘A miracle!’
That knocks me out.

There is a charge
For the eyeing of my scars,
there is a charge

For the hearing of my heart——
It really goes.
And there is a charge,

a very large charge
For a word or a touch
Or a bit of blood

Or a piece of my hair or my clothes.
So, so, Herr Doktor.
So, Herr Enemy.

I am your opus,
I am your valuable,
The pure gold baby

That melts to a shriek.
I turn and burn.
Do not think I underestimate your great concern.

Ash, ash—
You poke and stir.
Flesh, bone, there is nothing there——

A cake of soap,
A wedding ring,
A gold filling.

Herr God, Herr Lucifer
Beware
Beware.

Out of the ash
I rise with my red hair
And I eat men like air.

Sylvia Plath:sunny:

 

I think suicide can be a realistic option in some or even many circumstances....my grandma is virtually bedridden and wants to leave as her quality of life is very limited, I can understand her wanting to depart this earth eventhough we don't want her to.

 

I'm not saying it wasn't. But it was spiritual. You don't think it's possible that they thought people would be really impressed by it? If you're not trying to make an impression, why do it?

 

Suicide can be selfish, or brave, or sick, or logical and rational, depending on the situation. Nobody chooses to be born, and nobody chooses the situation they are born into, so I don't see any automatic moral obligation to live. And it does take some mental and emotional toughness to do the deed. But it isn't right to completely ignore the potential impact on other people. You have to take all the factors into consideration before making an irreversible decision.

At the end of a full life, there is something to be said for going out on your own terms, at a time and place of your own choosing. It's a bold move, not a victim mentality at all.

If you're not familiar with the life and career of Ernest Hemingway, check it out. Nobody can imagine him withering away in a retirement home.

You haven't fully explained the connection between your main topic and liberalism. I don't see it at all. As a liberal, I feel free to think for myself and explore all kinds of unconventional ideas. I see conservatism as reaching out to control me; make me more like everybody else.

One's situation with friends and family can vary tremendously. I'm aware that some adults are quite isolated, but others are in situations that are close to the opposite extreme.

You derailed your own thread just to show us that you have more or less the same evil, bloodthirsty philosophy as Adolf Hitler. What you're describing is murder, plain and simple. You just lost all credibility with me.

Beautifully written; best line in the whole thread, so far. Nobody can live fearlessly until they have accepted death.

But then you had to go and spoil a great post with this piece of shit. You don't know what anybody's future holds beyond 60.

I plan to be the most fun and interesting 60 year old that any of my friends have ever met. Of course, life has a nasty habit of changing your plans. I'll have to wait and see, just like everybody else.

 

I want to die by euthanasia. Already plan on immigrating to a country where it is legal.

 

is it selfless to leave your dead body to some poor soul who will find it, so he/she will have nightmares for the rest of life? is it selfless to leave your family, or friends behind in grief? to leave your debts and problems for the living?
people think that suicide is the only solution to ones problems, but that very same people don't understand that most of their problems are imaginary.
my mom found her co-worker when he hanged himself. it's wasn't beautiful. my dad is coroner, so he sees suicide victims all day long. it's not beautiful. it's ugly.

 

see post 63

 

I don't think any of us are in a position to judge the torment and pain that some are in that drives them to take this final step. It is a massive thing to do so acceptance of their decision I feel is important.

 

I am sorry but life is so precious that I can not accept the fact that suicide is anything but selfish. You may be ending your life but you are going to mess up many other lives in the process. I wouldn't want my kids to know or think that I didn't care enough about them to be a part of their lives.

 

There's nothing more selfish than people who'll slap the selfish label on you unless you live your life according to their specifications.

 

But...how do you know that about other people? You can't possibly know.

If I was retired from work and had outlived my husband, there's a good chance that nobody would care at all if I was alive or dead, on a typical day. My oldest and closest friends, who live out of town, would think it was sad whenever they thought about me being dead, but they aren't used to seeing me often. As for the people I've worked with over the years, I'm not important to them, in a personal sense. They would get over my death very quickly.

I'm sure there are plenty of people in much worse situations. What about kids who are horribly abused by their parents? When some of those kids "off" themselves, I hope their parents do feel terrible about it, because it's their fault. Frequently when homeless people die, the authorities have trouble finding anyone who even knows them. Some of the bodies go unclaimed. When adults with families are in declining health and choose to die before their suffering gets a lot worse, I hope that the survivors can look beyond their own selfish needs and have compassion. When you love somebody, you have to think about what's best for them.

When my mother was dying of cancer, our family eventually reached the point where we were hoping she would die soon. I'll spare you the grisly details of her condition at the end. We knew there was absolutely no hope that she would ever get better, and it hurt us so much to watch her suffer so terribly. She had always been a good person, a wonderful and loving mother and wife, and didn't deserve any of the horrendous things she had to experience in the last three weeks of her life. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. If a nurse had approached us with an off-the-record offer to "accidentally" turn a knob that would cause her to go to sleep and die peacefully, my father and I would have been hugging the nurse and crying tears of joy. We would have bought her a gift to show our gratitude. But nobody made any such offer.

Whenever somebody says that life is always better than death, I know they haven't seen anything like what I've seen. I hope you never have to.

That's a big part of why I believe in focusing on the quality of life rather than the quantity. :cheers2: Don't ever put off anything you really want to do, if you have a choice. You don't want your bucket list to turn into a regret list. Accept the fact that life is short and uncertain. Get as much as you can out of every day.

 

Oooh goodie suicide stuff


There is no inherited value to anything this I think is true but anything that needed effort and or collaboration to construct/grow with conscious direction has value by our standards. Time and effort in our society counts for something the body is worth something In fact when I think how much resources and time has been dedicated to me for me makes my head spin to take that away from the people who have contributed is selfish no question. But selfishness is a dirty word makes the whole thing stink of immorality this stinks to when immorality is nothing ells but going against the crowd. Ethically speaking it’s a keen to social contract yet without voluntary choice it all brakes down and no one has ever agreed to be born OK?


Is suicide beautiful it can be but certainly does not mean that it is beautiful, beauty is a very subjective thing in fact anything can be ugly or beautiful where in lies the problem some people do not see beauty anymore in the world, people are so engrossed in their own life’s that those who do and those who do not will well except yes but understand never each other beliefs and or choices.


Whenever I entertain thoughts of suicide it gives me a taste of freedom from all the rules others and myself has placed upon my existence and it feels good feels like enlightenment I wish I could take this feeling and translated in to my practical life but the neuron pathways of my brain are so ingrained that it is hard to escape the internal prison BTW am talking about social anxiety here which is a totally stupid thing to have but have you ever read about the “cure” it is basically reprogramming your own mind and or masking the symptoms in effect you have to kill of something or other that is currently your identity which applies to all disorders really which seems like a cold thing for society to do totally correct but cold so somehow the idea of embracing insanity to the fullest just seems to easy.


Sorry to anyone who has lost their love ones to suicide and or death in general I had never experienced that side of things which probably squise my outlook on things completely…

 

There was a time in my life that I had to fight evry day to stay alive. I had to drive about 25 miles to work every day and along that route was a huge tree just off the shoulder of the road that I would plan on hitting it at a high rate of speed to be done with the pain that I was going through. Everyday for about a month just as I approaced the tree with tears in my eyes for some reason I would think about my toddlers and how they would feel going through life without their Dad and I couldn't do it. I could not do that to my kids, I was hurting bad and I was wanting a way out and I knew that tree had taken numerous lives but I couldn't do that to my kids. That would have been very selfish.

I understand some of the other points of view, and My Mom also suffered for the last years of her life and I to wish that she had not had to suffer like that but she was a strong woman and also beleived that suicide was wrong.

I found a guy in his truck when I was in my late teens who had put a gun to his head and that image has never left me so I have seen the end product and it is gruesome to say the least. I knew him and his family very well. I know that they would have gave anything for him to still be with them.

Karen, I am sorry that you had to go through that with your Mom. I feel that I may have written my last post in haste and maybe didn't look at the health issue very well. But for me, I will be here until I die, anyway that it may happen and won't ever consider taking my own life. I fought that battle and won and I won't allow that fight to ever happen again.

As Karen has said get out there and enjoy each and everyday and make them count.

 

my argument has always been i never asked to be born, but when you have small kids of your own i think you have given up that excuse and excepted the cycle of life.

 

Yeah you kind off screwed yourself on that by giving purpose and or need to life, one cannot die when there is definitely some shit to be done.


Not to demean the bond between father son mother daughter etc, but I always had a sneaky suspicion that large % of people find purpose in life within a realm of parenting which just confuses the bodily need with spiritual or what not side it’s all to mechanical really… I guess morals to live by have to come from necessity but again this leaves something to be desired when one finds him/her self goalless let’s say what happens when the kids leave mid life crises, moral degeneration… at end of it all who are you?



Meh there is no quick fix or answer I guess we just have to go through life until something is found that can be latched on to and by devoting oneself to a meaningful aspect of life as judge by are self we gain purpose. Which makes sense since anything and everything can only have value due to relativity within well relative aspects of existence trying to find meaning inwardly is perhaps impossible and completely counter intuitive thing to do yet maybe this is what I am doing wrong: confining oneself can lead to non existence lol.