is religion for living in the world, ignoring the world, or just for dying?

It's a lie?

That's funny, is that your answer for everything you don't have proof of.

 

Well if there is NO proof of something in recorded human history and someone tells me it's the truth without having any proof in it themselves I call them misguided.

If they say they believe for a fact there is a magical omnipotent being that is beyond human understanding I ask for proof. When they are unable to present any I believe they are either propagating an agenda or have just been fooled.

So we have been arguing back and forth awhile now and you probably have figured out my stance on whether or not there is a definite SUPERNATURAL force that created time, mass and space.

So how about you water?

Do you believe in ghosts?

 

No but for entirely different reasons.

 

So you think atheists are misguided?

 

Actually, faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.

 

No, the LACK of evidence for a divine creator is the evidence of it's human creation.

It seems like your putting your eggs in another basket that is neither atheistic or main stream religion, that's fine there is nothing wrong with that.

If it makes you feel good do it I say, but just because you've created your own belief system for yourself does not mean it is factual.

I say this because I'm under the assumption that you are not an atheist or a follower of a written "holy" book of some kind, I may be wrong but I am a bit perplexed as to what your stance is on the supernatural.

Are we at different ends of the same table, or are we sitting in different buildings? iggy:

 

I’m just saying this is a two edged sword that cuts both ways. If you say that there is a lack of evidence for a divine creator, I can say that there is a lack of evidence for the absence of a divine creator.

This is true.

That depends on what you call factual, are you one, who unless you can see, touch or taste it, it’s not real or a fact? If that is the case then yes what I believe is not factual, to you.

You are correct about my not being an atheist but I find the Bible to be worth reading. As for the supernatural, I guess you could call God supernatural but in dealing with this universe everything he does is natural although we may not be able to explain it all yet.

I’m not sure yet, it’s been hard getting past your; “it’s a lie” and getting into a real discussion.

 

Disagreement is the best form of discussion.

 

It's really not a discussion if one person keeps saying the same thing over and over again.

Yes there is, No there isn't, Yes there is, No there isn't, Yes there is, No there isn't, Yes there is, No there isn't, Yes there is, No there isn't, really isn't much of a discussion.

It's kind of nice when you change it up with a; "Why do you feel that way" from time to time.

 

I have never in my life experienced anything I would consider to be a sign from a god.

If tomorrow I do maybe I'll look at things a different way, until then it seems ridicules to "believe" in something that does not exist in the literal sense.

Also I believe any sentient being that was in some way able to end or stop all the atrocities that are committed in the world but failed to act should be put on trial for crimes against humanity.

So if "god" ever shows up I'm going to suggest he is put on trial, no different from a Nazi war criminal. iggy:

 

Thanx!

I’ve ever experienced the kind of sign you’re talking about either. God’s signs in today’s world are a little more subtle. He was a little more open about it in the past and look what happened to his son.

I can understand that and I don’t ridicule any one for feeling that way.

It’s kind of funny you should say that. There are many Christians that feel God is on trial as we speak and that is why he has not stepped in as of yet to fix the problems you have mentioned.

 

So true. Even what at one time was thought of as a simple one celled creature, we now know is as complex as it gets and not simple at all.

Yes, a bit, I find it fascinating.

I really don’t believe in all the “God gap” stuff and that God is only an explanation for what we don’t understand. I personally believe that even if one day we “know it all”, I think it will only serve to help us appreciate God and his works all the more.

 

I respect your belief.