Is Obama socialist or fascist?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jmt, Sep 29, 2012.

  1. jamgrassphan

    jamgrassphan Get up offa that thing Lifetime Supporter

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    LOL

    Is Michelle Bachmann the devil's concubine or a racist bitch (because she has to be one of the two choices I've offered here)?
     
  2. sunfighter

    sunfighter Hip Forums Supporter HipForums Supporter

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    Obama is neither socialist or fascist. He is slightly to the left of center.
     
  3. zombiewolf

    zombiewolf Senior Member

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    Which is as far as any of those chicken-shits dare go. :smoking:
     
  4. StpLSD25

    StpLSD25 Senior Member

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    I think free education is fine at a state level. But I also think we should get the federal government out of teaching our children. Because this is how all the garbage starts to where they can't pray in school, but they can buy drugs all day in that same school. Frankly, I think the federal government is disattached to the general public, and even a lot of spending in education is wasteful. Look at the NY schools that were paying for plastic surgery for their teachers!!
     
  5. Balbus

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    This doesn’t sound like a ‘socialist’ system but a dysfunctional system – why do working people need food stamps shouldn’t they be getting paid enough not to need such assistance? Why are these students so desperate they need food stamps why aren’t their grants/scholarships paying them enough not to want such assistance?

    Thing is I don’t think the US social, economic or political system is working it seems dysfunctional but that’s not because of ‘socialism’ that’s a distraction; the question that should be examined objectively is why is it dysfunctional.
     
  6. rak

    rak Senior Member

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    DEfinately fascist. Hail Obama!
     
  7. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    Hail Dictator Obama!!
     
  8. sextant

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    Obama is the duly elected President of the United States of America !! Supported by almost half of the population !! Since U want to put Labels on people, To me Romney is a priest of a religous CULT !! Many of the people who claim to be Christians Scare me more than any other Religion !!!
     
  9. Meliai

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    At a state level you run into problems too. States leaving evolution out of the curriculum, for example. States mandating prayer in school. Not to get off topic but the whole prayer in school thing simply means prayer can not be led by the school or any faculty. Students are still free to pray amongst themselves and to themselves.


    Do you feel like other socialist programs like healthcare are.okay at a state level as well?
     
  10. StpLSD25

    StpLSD25 Senior Member

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    No, I think people should pay for their own healthcare. In America, the ER can't turn anyone down, and if you can't pay for it, you don't have to. I didn't have health insurance most of my life, how is it fair to me to pay for other peoples health insurance when I FINALLY got health insurance at 23?? Let the people take care of that.. Mandated insurance just makes prices skyrocket. Why do you think the insurance companies were in support of Obamacare?? This benefits THEM, not us.
     
  11. Meliai

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    Well, Obamacare is a bad example because it's not universal healthcare. It's exactly as you said - it's mandating that taxpayers support the insurance industry. Although I do think there were some good changes in the healthcare bill as well.

    If true universal healthcare was introduced and funded correctly and efficiently the average tax payer should pay much less than what they currently pay on insurance premiums.

    As far as leaving ER bills unpaid, this is one of many factors contributing to rising healthcare costs.
     
  12. odonII

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    Who ultimately pays?

    You did not have to worry about it. Others do. Others younger than you. Others older than you.

    Because people like you want private healthcare. And private healthcare benefits from a captive audience. As long as healthcare has a plc or ltd after it - people like you are happy.


    We do.
     
  13. StpLSD25

    StpLSD25 Senior Member

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    What difference does it make? The person who pays is the person who buys your debt pennies on a dollar. If the government manipulates debt, and magically calls it "money," that's their fault, not ours...



    I don't understand, I'm not superman!? Why would I need it less than any other citizen? I really needed dental care growing up, but no surprise the government didn't pay for that..



    Don't "people like you," me!! You don't understand the fallacy in government-mandated anything. It creates a government monopoly, which makes prices go up. That's why college prices are so high, the government subsidizes, and as a direct reaction college tuition goes UP because they know the government's going to pay it. Once upon a time in this country one could WORK their way through college; Government subsides have taken that away from us..
     
  14. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    why dont you change you thinking pattern to what can we do to change this medical system and make it affordable for people then to say well i can afford it "finally" fuck the rest at cant and am 23.... I also am in your position I finally got healthcare but i would like to see how everything can afford it. I think it starts with changing the medical system of money flow then it really is with the insurance companies....

    I think Hospital and Doctors need to reduce there asking prices then making every so damn expensive.

    You dont think you have to make a million dollars a year as a doctor to be happy but that where i think the problem stems too.....the money people who operate make then insurance company...
     
  15. odonII

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    It's the taxpayer. It matters because if you think people should pay out of their own pocket, and not the tax payer as a whole (The NHS model) - then you should not accept 'free' healthcare.

    I don't understand this.

    Even though you may not have needed healthcare - others do. If you pay into a pot - that pot is also there for you when you do. At this precise moment I don't need firefighters to extinguish my house - It's not on fire. I'm glad I pay into a pot so if I do they can.

    A poor choice of words on my part. Sorry. What is wrong with a system such as the NHS model? Why are you so apposed to a system such as that? Are you so concerned with other "government-mandated" services such as the fire/police department etc?
     
  16. scratcho

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    I can't for the life of me figure out why conservatives are against EVERYONE having medical care with a socialized medical system. There are great examples of where a single payer works well. The Scandanavian countries,France, England,Canada and even Mexico,for hells sake! Oh=too many people. Oh-another government bureaucracy. Medical care often addresses life itself. Without life or with a poor quality of life,what do you have? It's just been obvious to me in all the years of my life who actually stands for the middle class and poor classes and who doesn't.

    Frankly I think Obama would like to have a single payer system, but that he knew there was no way in hell the cons would let him get that done,so he settled on what he COULD get. Insurance companies should go the way of 8 track tapes. They're middlemen that just take money on transactions that should be between a patient and his or her doctor.

    Tax the rich more,stop the wars(big chance of that-pffft) cut the fat out of various programs and get it done. Why should there be anyone that can't get good medical care in this modern world? The ER is not the answer. Do some research.
     
  17. odonII

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    The United Kingdom.
     
  18. scratcho

    scratcho Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    You know,I always wondered about that. Sometimes I see Britain,some times England and sometimes The United Kingdom. WTF? Another dumb american? Tell me-tell me.
     
  19. odonII

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    I was just pointing out the NHS covers more than just England.

    The National Health Service (NHS) is the shared name of three of the four publicly funded healthcare systems in the United Kingdom. The systems are primarily funded through general taxation rather than requiring insurance payments, and were founded in 1948. They provide a comprehensive range of health services, the vast majority of which are free at the point of use to residents of the United Kingdom.
    The individual systems are:
    National Health Service (England)
    Health and Social Care in Northern Ireland (HSENI)
    NHS Scotland
    NHS Wales

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Health_Service
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom

    I learnt something new:
    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1999/3/contents
     
  20. odonII

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    There are 50 plus states, right? - that's the extent of my knowledge.
     

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