Is Kobe Bryant admitting to rape?

My guess is that he assumes this because there are many women who do actively pursue him. He doesn't need to force anyone to have sex with him. For someone like him, there's always a woman who'll willingly spread her legs.

 

Instead of being under an impression, which always seems to be the case, why don't you try to find out the facts for once before spouting off with you sexist radical-feminist drivel. She had sex within 24 hours AFTER she claimed to have been raped. This highly ABNORMAL behaviour for someone who was supposedly raped. That a person who was raped becomes promiscuous after being raped is another matter, as it stems from the psychological pressures caused by having been raped, and is likely not something that is immediately going to manifest.

But you're just grasping for straws here, because as a feminist, you have come to the automatic conclusion that if she accuses of being raped, that she was raped, and you just can't stand the fact that the facts appear to contradict what you believe.

 

So instead you've manifested a radical ideoloical worldview that will forever cause you to feel contempt and hatred for men, in particular those who won't kowtow to your sexist agenda? That's sad.

 

paul, based on the way you write, the fact that everything is feminist or sexist in some way to you, I think that even if there was more than enough evidence that kobe had commited rape you'd still spew this same garbage.


After all, you tried to rationalize that anti feminist page (you remember the one that had the statistic "zero percent of american women understand math"?)
I think you'll always be one of those types that will make up excuses no matter what kind of proof is presented.

 

No, I don't think that "everything is feminist or sexist in some way," and I certainly have no sympathy for Kobe, but I do think that this issue has to be dealt with in an equitable manner and that we should be seeking the truth and not making assumptions based on ideological beliefs.

Well, again, no, I wasn't trying to "rationalize" the web site to which you refer; again, I cautioned that it is best to look at the evidence that these people provide instead of--as was the case with you--making assumptions based on ideological grounds. As I stated before, I think that these people were not arguing that "women are stupid" but that there is a problem with the current (feminist dominated) educational system, and that it is failing girls in particular. Moreover, if you'd care to look at some of the other information that they provide on their site, you'd find that they raise a number of valid points, in particular about how feminists have distorted domestic violence statistics to make it look like men alone are perpetrators of domestic violence.

So, like I said, I'm not trying to "rationalize" anything, just arguing we should all be more concerned with facts and the truth.

 

well, sounds reasonable enough...till I found this...regarding "the most irritating forum"

Who's ASSuming shit here? If you so easily brush off every woman who posts here that DARES to think outside of what you consider "the truth" then you're full of shit, no matter how hard you try to cover it up. Being a radical feminist I think is alot better than being a wife beating, child-molesting woman hater. Say what you want about that, but if you can stereotype then so can I.

 

You really make me laugh. But I'm also a little concerned about your inability fully comprehed the mean behind what I and others have written. The reason I find the women's issues forum irritating is because the serious discussions that take place here are hijacked by radical feminist ideologues. The truth is the truth, and I can't recall labelling any woman here a "radical feminist" for being factual and seeking the truth--that's just a delusion on your part, born of anger and malice because you don't like my opinions. It's not surprising that you'd call me a "wife beating, child-molesting woman hater" because that's the usual tactic of the radical feminist when a man opposes their twisted opinions. Don't think that you've done anything shocking or insulting; for you simply done something quite predictable.

 

c'mon, you knew you were setting yourself up for attack when you said this.

And not everyone here is a "radical feminist" either. Some of us genuinely believe in equality between men and women, not women receiving better than all men (I'm presuming that's your definition of radical feminist, it seems to be the most common one).

Just because some people are passionate about an issue and keep posting about it in order to stimulate dialogue/debate, doesn't mean they're all crazy radical bitches. Honest. Admittedly, there are some people out there who are extremists on the feminist branch. There are extremists in every part of life - clean freaks, intellectuals, etc.

Anywho, I hope you don't assume that every person who posts on this forum is, by necessity, a radical feminist.

"Originally Posted by Paul Morphy from the Hip Awards forum
Women's Issues because it is filled with a bunch of radical feminist ideologues who hate men and the truth."

 

I probably haven't followed this as closely as some other people, but I do have some questions.


What specifically happened in that hotel room?

What would be admissible in court as proof that this woman did not consent to sex? Did she say "no"? Did she push Kobe's hand or any other part of Kobe away?

I agree that a woman's sexual history shouldn't have any bearing on whether or not a rape occurred. On the other hand, I have serious concerns about what she was doing in a man's hotel room at 3 AM. Why does a woman need to come to another woman's husband's hotel room at that hour?

People don't always come right out and say what they mean. People have been inviting other people home "just for a drink" with other things in mind for years. People have been assuming that "just a drink" means "a drink and sex" for years and been assuming correctly for years. So when a woman comes to a hotel room to talk at 3 AM, Kobe isn't necessarily a monster for assuming that this visit was not just about talking.

I don't think that Kobe was totally blameless in this case. I don't think that what he did was right. However, I don't know that this is necessarily rape. If a man has good reason to believe that a woman is consenting, I don't see him as a rapist.

I would advise a woman never to be alone with a man in a room with a bed, particularly in the evening or at night. For better or worse, a man will take her presence there as consent. I would similarly advise a man never to be alone with a woman in a room with a bed, particularly in the evening or night. It's a situation that leads to potential misunderstanding and pain.

 

Quote: He doesn't need to force anyone to have sex with him. For someone like him, there's always a woman who'll willingly spread her legs.


A true rapist, and I'm not sure if Kobe is one or not, could have the most beautiful woman in the world fucking him and not be satisfied...a rapist likes power, dominance, and control over his victim (be it male or female)

It is irrelevant if a million women would consentually fuck Kobe if his true desire is to rape.

 

i always get miffed when people say rape is about control power and dominance..why is it never about the most simple thing: getting off?


I really have a hard time believing that your average rapist sees a woman he finds attractive and goes "i need to dominate that woman, i need to control her, i need to show her i'm more powerful." its probably omre like "Damn she's hot, i'd like to get a piece of that." But i'm not a rapist, so i dont know what a rapist thinks before he rapes someone, *shrugs*

 

Right, it is about getting off, through domination and control.....not all rapists are hunchbacks that couldn't get a woman through everyday means....maybe some are, but for the most part I think the sexual domination is what they desire, and what excites them......


You could say Pedophilia is all about getting off too.....those people could get off with a grown person, but what excites them them most is getting of with a child.

 

I think its about control in the senes that rapists are unable to control themselves. We all have fantasies about people we see or encounter, but it is their inability to control themselves that brings about rape, imo.


and the pedophiles who arent attracted to adults, which i personally believe is all of them?

 

quote: and the pedophiles who arent attracted to adults, which i personally believe is all of them?


I'm not sure about that...I am not a rapist, or a child molester...but I would imagine that there are people who molest children as well as having sex with adults.

Are you saying that you don't think there are rapists that do it for the violence of the act, that its all just seeing a woman they are attracted to and being unable to control their lust?....I'm not saying you are wrong there, I'm sure there are some that fall into this category as well...do you really think NO rapists like the animal agression of the act?

 

i'm sure there are people who do it for a variety of reasons from "God told me to do it" to doing it for domination. I just dont like the broad generalizations that society teaches us, be it 'rape is about control' or 'racism is about fear.' I just dont think they are true. No one really knows why people do what they do

 

Seamonster has a good grip on this subject. A normal man (like say Megara) has a hard time understanding how rapists think. Why? Because they aren't rapists. Rapists don't think or act like normal men.

As for this crap from Morphy:

What the fuck? YOU don't know me! You have only been here since August.(So you claim.) WHAT makes you think I have a radical ideology and hatred for men?

You don't know a fucking thing about me.(Unless you have been on this board and, hmm, I don't know BANNED before for shooting off shit like this misogynist, personal attacking stuff.) I was speaking to Megara and not you.

 

Right, so what he says is valid because it's in-line with your world view.

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought a rapist could be anyone--Megara could well have raped or sexually assaulted someone. How do you know whether he has or not?

Now, I'm sure you would qualify me as abnormal because I don't agree with your ideological beliefs, but sorry to disappoint you, I can say with all honesty that I've never raped or sexually assaulted someone in my life.

As for not knowing who you are--do you honestly believe nothing that you've written belies what type of person you are, and what kind of agenda you have? I've gone back and read a lot of what you've written on certain topics here, and have come across your posts elsewhere. Don't think I don't know that you have a problem with people expressing differing opinions, and what you try to have done with them.

As for me having been banned before--nope, can't recall that I have. Getting a little paranoid, aren't we?

 

uh huh like when you were posting under the name jimaan?

 

I'm confused. Why does seamonster have a good grip on this subject? If i'm a normal man and have a hard time understanding how rapists thinks, does that make seamonster a rapist, since he can understand how a rapist thinks?

Anyways, i just think stereotyping how all rapists think is silly, because its false. No two people think the same.

 

Oh, God, Meg, that is not what I meant! I don't think Sea is a rapist! He just understands why the "power-dominance-humiliation" factor is a given in sexual predators. A lot of men, who don't understand that rapists really view sex differently than they do have a hard time with this one. Years ago, my own dh once said, "Well if I were to rape someone, it wouldn't be in anger, it would be in lust." I said "Yeah, but you wouldn't rape someone, you are still looking at it as sexual intercourse and nothing more." Looking at it as just lust doesn't cause people to rape. Humiliation, anger, hatred (outward and inward directed,) feeling inferior, while acting otherwise, DO!

You are right, no two people think the same (not even "Radical feminists" LOL!) But the science of forensic psychology or "Profiling" is pretty precise, particularly when it comes to sexual predators.

As far as I can guess, both you and Seamonster are "normal" men, not rapists (you may get upset with any particular womyn in specific from time to time, which is certainly normal, but I see no overt blanket hatred, no need to dominate, no need to humiliate, as far as I know.) (But what do I know, all I see is what people are writing on a BB?)

Normal men need to stop thinking that "any" guy can be a rapist, because they can't. There is a way of thinking, a way of acting and an attitude towards womyn and others considered "weaker" that is unmistakable. MOST men are not like this at all. They may or may not understand the profiling or psychology of a rapist (and understanding the psychology, as Seamonster does, doesn't make on a rapist, it just shows some research was done) but they don't act like rapists, nor think like one.