Is it time to talk about guns?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Mar 24, 2021.

  1. Tishomingo

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    Let me try to understand what you've been telling us. In a recent go around with Meagan, I thought you were making the point that AR-15's didn't pose more of a mass shooting problem, because the same rapid fire characteristics were available from other legal weapons. And now you seem to be telling us that only the AR-15 will do for wild pigs. is that a contradiction? Betcha Seung-Hui Cho could have taken out the whole hog herd with a couple of pistols. Grenades would be better. Whaddabout those? And of course wild pigs tend to be a localized problem--one which other societies might take care of collectively. Where are the Texas Rangers when you really need them?
    How to Get Rid of Feral Pigs or Wild Hogs
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    Pig Problem Solutions: How to Deal with Trap-Shy Hogs
     
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  2. Tishomingo

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    Another ignorant meme? The problem is that nobody is talking about ignoring amendments, and all of them, including the First, have been subject to reasonable qualifications! Oh, I know. It's only a meme, not to be taken seriously. You were just joshin'
     
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    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article262343637.html


    Two young brothers broke into a gun store and stole 22 guns and multiple rounds of ammunition, but the load was heavier than their arms could carry, Florida police say. A 14-year-old and his 11-year-old brother dropped the weapons and took off in separate directions as they fled from police at around 3 a.m. on June 8, Cape Coral Police Department Master Sgt. Julie Green said during a news conference.


    The older brother was on probation in connection with robbery with a weapon, burglary and criminal mischief. He had been previously arrested and accused of threatening to harm another juvenile with a weapon over social media.
     
  4. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    sorry I have no idea what you're talking about.
    I said, "Assault rifles have an automatic and single shot mode. Assault weapon is a legal term and may include any type of weapon the local or national jurisdiction defines them as."
     
  5. mcme

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    At this point it seems you're going out of your way to not get the point.
    Rifles are excellent when you need a rifle, a hand gun is good for handgun things.
    If you're comfortable using a handgun to shoot at a herd of feral boar, have at it. If I were to hunt them, I'd rather have a rifle and be a good distance away. My favorite rifle for hunting and long distance accuracy isn't an ar15 but I wouldn't have a problem making it work just fine.
     
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    I put the contradictory statements in the post. I don't think I can give a better idea about what you said..
     
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  9. scratcho

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    Huh. Wonder how Australia handled their mass shooting problem. Wonder if it worked.
     
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    The Canadian weapons salesman of the year goes to ….

    Canada handgun sales soar after Trudeau proposes freeze



    Sales have been brisk," said Jen Lavigne, co-owner of That Hunting Store in a strip mall on the outskirts of the capital, Ottawa.

    The shop sits between a barbershop, a Chinese buffet restaurant and a conservative politician's constituency office.

    "We sold 100 handguns, or almost our entire stock, in the last three days since the prime minister announced the freeze," Ms Lavigne said.
     
  11. Tishomingo

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    Ah, the loopholes. I might have known. But when was the last time a machine gun or fully automatic weapon was used in a mass shooting? According to the Congressional Research Service; only 2 between 1999 and 2013.It would have been hard and expensive for kids like the shooters in Buffalo and Uvalde to get their hands on machine guns, but they had no trouble obtaining semi-automatic AR-15s. An Ar-15 seems to have been used or was part of the arsenal in over a dozen mass shootings.
    Aurora: :
    Parkland:
    Las Vegas (one of Multiple weapons)
    Sandy Hook:
    Texas Church:
    San Bernardino:
    Waffle House:
    Boulder
    Poway Synagogue
    Sutherland Springs
    Tree of Life Synagaogue
    Buffalo,
    Uvalde
    The SIG Sauer used in Orlando was a similar type ".223 caliber rifle.:
    As for ease of purchase, I'd bet those dudes who can line their living rooms and swimming pools with their AR-15s have a few stashed away in their collections.

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  12. Tishomingo

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    I wouldn't be comfortable using any weapon against feral boar, but I thought you were trying to point out awhile ago that AR-15s were not especially dangerous or important in mass shootings cuz Seung-Hui Cho could kill lots of folks with a couple of pistols. But as you point out, rifles are handy because of their range. You also point out that you could hunt feral pigs with a rifle other than an AR-15 (which kind of refutes your earlier point that AR-15s were needed for that purpose). Semi-automatics are handy because of their deadly capability to kill many feral hogs (or people) in a short period of time. So what was that point again?
     
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  13. mcme

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    That they're no more or less dangerous than another firearm. And that the reason they've been used alot is because they're the Ford pickup of rifles. Everyone has a couple laying around.(Stored safely, hopefully) It's not because it's the consummate killing machine.
     
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  15. MeAgain

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    So in other words AR 15s and other assault weapons are no better than your standard Marlin 60 .22 rifle.


    So you will have no problem banning them.
     
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  16. Tishomingo

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    But whaddabout them feral pigs?
     
  17. Tishomingo

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    Well, Ronnie, that's another way of saying Do nothing. The folks doing the mass killing these days aren't hardened criminals. They're crazy mixed up kids who are mad at the world or some particular part of it, and think they have nothing to lose. Getting them off the street is a good idea, but they're not responsive to deterrence Besides, what do you know? You were gonna solve the drug problem by the same approach. Did that work? And you had Alzheimers by the time of Columbine in 1999 and were long dead by the time of the Sandy Hook massacre.
     
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  18. mcme

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    Aren't you paying attention? I'm on the other side of this discussion. Of course I'd have a problem with any firearm or accessories for firearms being banned.
     
  19. ~Zen~

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    My thinking is that folks like mcme are going to have to get over it and accept the fact that their precious 2nd amendment is outdated, needs change and federal laws are necessary to stem the tide of murders in the US by guns.

    There is a thing called a democracy where the will of the people overrule the minority. And then we all have to obey that law regardless. It is how our society works.

    And don't gaslight me with talk of this is a republic.

    Or change the subject.

    You may have to accept the change, as the people seem overwhelmingly in favor of it.
     
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  20. mcme

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    I was going to mention the Constitutional republic thing but you obviously understand how things work.
    I agree 100%with everything you said except referring to the 2nd as MY precious ammendment. It's all of ours. It's as relevant today as ever.
    I will always obey the law and any changes won't ruffle my feathers. I hope when/if the 2nd is looked at by USSC and nothing changes, or magazine capacity limits are deemed unconstitutional or anything else, you'll be able to live with and accept it too.
     
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