Is it time to talk about guns?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Mar 24, 2021.

  1. mcme

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    The point is that its not an Armalite rifle anymore. As in an ar15 cannot fire .50 bmg even though you can machine parts and make an ar type platform that does.
     
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    Fortunately for me and other gun owners you don't get to arbitrarily decide that.
     
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    The post is valid as it stands. Remove the 2ndA reference and it still is.
    You're deflecting a little.
     
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    I’m sure you are referring to the M-16, accurate information is very important.

    M16 rifle - Wikipedia
     
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    It's been pointed out, but again, the ar15 is not and has never been a military firearm.

    One will cover your yard and your direct neighbors yard.
    The other will cover the neighborhood.

    The accessories all have a particular function for different uses but don't change the rifle one bit. A guy trying to protect his crops from feral hogs might even use the 150 round magazines, but I can't imagine what hanging 10lbs. from the bottom of your rifle would do to accuracy. A heat shield will definitely save him from burning himself on the barrel. A suppressor will keep his vision good in low light situations. The grips would definitely help with getting that 10lb. pendulum under control if you were to use that size magazine. They make the rifle more useful, not more deadly. Deadly to people at least . The only thing affecting that is the nut that holds the trigger. And that's were the problem will be solved.

    Let me add that no Armalite rifle comes with a fully automatic option.
     
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    Please pay attention to everything posted, not just the pretty pictures.
     
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    Where are the stats for mass shootings? Or is it unimportant to distinguish those from domestic disputes, gang fights, armed robberies, etc.? And where are the stats for 2020-22?
    AR-15 rifles were used in 26 percent of the last 80 mass shootings in America
    Were AR-15s Used in Every Major Mass Shooting in the United States After Aurora?
    52 Shocking Gun Violence Statistics [2022 Update]
    What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.
    More US school-age children die from guns than on-duty US police or global military fatalities, study finds | CNN
    Especially if there's no data showing the legislation is actually doing what's intended and its only an emotional knee-jerk reaction by someone using a tragedy to push an anti 2nd amendment/private ownership of firearms agenda.[/QUOTE]What about someone who wants to own a machine gun" They were once legal, but were banned after some sad experience with Al Capone and others. Should we allow them back? And surely compulsory mental health would make things difficult for some people without much evidence of benefit. It's getting people like Seung-Hui Cho into the system that's the hard part.
    Doesn't sound like it. All of those things on my list have been resisted by the NRA. We'll see if the scaled-down items in the Senate compromise go thru. I doubt that they'll do much, but every little bit helps. Speaking of statistics, far more people get killed by guns owned by their spouses or family members than by strangers. Only a dozen states require permits for gun purchases, which are required for driving and so many otehr activities in American life.
    --like "No Trespassing"
    Au Contraire, I think it probably has worked, just as similar signs prohibiting various activities "work"--like alcohol or masks for Covid. . By posting the sign, the owner alerts those who used the premises what is not allowed. If they choose to ignore it, the owner is relieved of responsibility and the law is on his/her side. Having the guns there increases the possibility that someone will fly off the handle and start shooting.

    I hope he had more to go on than suspicion. Was the deceased black?

    Then please don't use them as a substitute for rational argument.
     
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    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I just read the Second Amendment, and it doesn't say anything about the right to own AR-15s. And I read Justice Scalia's opinion in the 2008 case of D,C. v. Heller::"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court's opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms." So much for your stupid meme.
     
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    Ask the FBI, As you can see the information provided is on the FBI website

    facts, unbiased facts,
     
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    DeWine signs bill allowing Ohio school employees to be armed | 10tv.com


    COLUMBUS, Ohio — Ohio school districts could begin arming employees as soon as this fall under a bill signed into law Monday by GOP Gov. Mike DeWine.

    The law, as enacted, requires up to 24 hours of training before an employee can go armed, and up to eight hours of annual training. The training programs must be approved by the Ohio School Safety Center, and DeWine announced he's ordering the center to require the maximum 24 hours and the maximum eight hours.
     
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    Tishomingo, I don't use the memes as a substitute for rational discussion. I use them to see how long it will take for you to wear out the roll eyed sarcastic smolie.
     
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    I can't find anything in your entire post I don't agree with except the last sentence. I believe that the memes I post are just as a meme should be. Humorous, based in truth and a dash of poignant.
     
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    Right. And it doesn't include a category for mass shootings, and the page you provided is thru 2019.
     
  17. Tishomingo

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    But tthey're misleading. E.g.,

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    Assuming , for purposes of argument, these statistics are accurate (I find that hard to believe , and wonder how and by what assholes they were collected), it illogically equates accidental deaths resulting from self-inflicted accidents to intentional killings of innocent people. They are presented as a substitute for argument, and they summarize comebacks that real people take seriously. Presenting them in meme form also gives you the out, when challenged, of saying it's only a meme."
     
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    Search away Welcome to FBI.gov — FBI
     
  19. mcme

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    I stand corrected. There is absolutely nothing funny about people sodomizing themselves to death.
     
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    Yes. Thank you.
     

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