Is it time to talk about guns?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Mar 24, 2021.

  1. mcme

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    Without quoting posts, in this thread there has been more than one comment about white supremacy, racism and anti semitsm being being behind the "gun nut" agenda, and more than a few comments trying to link me personally to that. The reason I comment in here is because there's a firearm violence problem that needs to be addressed. I personally don't believe it's the firearms at fault. Here are some facts that point to where the lack of responsibility and accountability is festering. Hopefully by not glamorizing gun violence, and violence general, this country can begin to eliminate the senseless killing without penalizing only the law abiding citizens. The criminals don't care about the laws.
    What the Real Stats Say About Black and White Crime: The Woke Crowd Will Hate Every One of These
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  2. Captain Scarlet

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    Still defies any logic of why anyone other than a collector of arms of antiquity would want an assault rifle . As the name implies these are offensive weapons and totally different to revolvers and shot guns which have a more defensive use.


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  3. MeAgain

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    Mcme will never listen to facts, he has his own agenda and will twist anything written about firearms to suit that agenda.
    I had hoped a logical presentation of facts would have some effect on his thinking...but I was wrong.
     
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  4. ~Zen~

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    I have come to the conclusion that some minds will never change. Presenting more and more evidence against their beliefs apparently just hardens those beliefs into stone.

    I had at one point in time believed in truth, justice and equality for all! I lived it and breathed it almost all my life...

    But now the evidence reveals that was a delusion.
     
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  5. ~Zen~

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    That being said, I do not hate the ones whose minds never change... I almost have a fear... of what ends they will go to enforcing their 'beliefs' on others.

    I think that's the bottom line of why I kept these forums going for so long... as a place to vent these thoughts in hope of finding like minds who want to change the world into a better place...undivided by hate, fear and anger.
     
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  6. ~Zen~

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    Also here is some food for thought about the mental health issue that everyone keeps raising to deflect any discussion of gun control laws... blame it on crazy people is their big idea.

    If they only knew THEY THEMSELVES are all crazy...

    But I digress, read this - let me know what you think.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/06/03/why-so-many-mass-shooters-young-angry-men/

    Young men, guns and the prefrontal cortex
    The Uvalde, Tex., shooter is part of a long list of male perpetrators of similar ages. Some experts think gun laws need to change to address that.
    By Ariana Eunjung Cha
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    Meghan Hoyer
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    June 3, 2022 at 7:54 a.m. EDT
    Candles were lighted at dawn last Friday at a makeshift memorial for the victims of the Uvalde, Tex., school shooting. (Wong Maye-E/AP)

    When Vanderbilt University psychiatrist Jonathan Metzl learned that the perpetrator of the Uvalde, Tex., school massacre was a young man barely out of adolescence, it was hard not to think about the peculiarities of the maturing male brain.


    Salvador Rolando Ramos had just turned 18, eerily close in age to Nikolas Cruz, who had been 19 when he shot up a school in Parkland, Fla. And to Adam Lanza, 20, when he did the same in Newtown, Conn. To Seung-Hui Cho, 23, at Virginia Tech. And to Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, in Columbine, Colo.

    Teen and young adult males have long stood out from other subgroups for their impulsive behavior. They are far more reckless and prone to violence than their counterparts in other age groups, and their leading causes of death include fights, accidents, driving too fast, or, as Metzl put it, “other impulsive kinds of acts.”

    “There’s a lot of research about how their brains are not fully developed in terms of regulation,” he said. Perhaps most significantly, studies show, the prefrontal cortex, which is critical to understanding the consequences of one’s actions and controlling impulses, does not fully develop until about age 25. In that context, Metzl said, a shooting “certainly feels like another kind of performance of young masculinity.”

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    In coming weeks and months, investigators will dissect Ramos’s life to try to figure out what led him to that horrific moment at 11:40 a.m. Tuesday, May 24 when he opened fire on a classroom full of 9- and-10-year-olds at Robb Elementary School. Although clear answers are unlikely, the patterns that have emerged about mass shooters in the growing databases, school reports, medical notes and interview transcripts show a disturbing confluence between angry young men, easy access to weapons and reinforcement of violence by social media.
     
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  7. scratcho

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    How can anyone understand how a person or persons can fire bullets into young innocent children tearing them to pieces? What could that possibly prove--or mean to a perpetrator? Along with banning weapons of war to civilians, the need to expand mental health care by billions and billions of dollars nationwide exists, particularly in schools , so that these troubled people can be identified and treated before innocents have to die.
     
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  8. mcme

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    There's lots of food for thought in this.
     
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  9. mcme

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    You're entitled to your opinion, however wrong it may be.
     
  10. mcme

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    I am not, and I'm not acting fanatical on any of this. You constantly confuse your opinions for facts.
    We clearly disagree on whether it's the guns fault or the individuals fault, and that creates very different solutions. I'm not here to push an agenda on anyone.
    I also won't be okay with any of my rights being arbitrarily infringed.
     
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  11. Flagme15

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    Quit making up crap.
     
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  12. Flagme15

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    Of course you are.
     
  13. mcme

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    The facts presented there are indisputable. I think your focused on a leaf compared to the forest that's the gun violence problem in this country. Don't interpret this as not caring about the lives lost in mass,particularly school shootings. I'm just pointing out that they're a tiny subset of the much larger problem.
     
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  14. mcme

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    Easy cowboy. Your opinion is allowed too.
     
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    Is mental illness primarily a male characteristic?
     
  17. scratcho

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    I just read on my phone that 10 republicans and 10 democrats have written a preliminary draft for a bill to make money to expand mental health services for schools , among other provisions. 10 republicans signing on will preclude a filibuster by the senate.
     
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  18. Tishomingo

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    And we have age limits for so many other things: buying beer, renting a car, buying a handgun, etc. The Constitution says nothing about it. The Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment prohibits discrimination without a reasonable basis, but the states have wide latitude to figure out what is reasonable. So it's a red herring--invoked to do nothing!
     
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  19. Tishomingo

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  20. Flagme15

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    This is a somewhat rhetorical question, but why do people like mcme feel like society is against them?
     

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