Is it time to talk about guns?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Mar 24, 2021.

  1. Toecutter

    Toecutter Senior Member

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    What CDC report are you referring to ?

    CDC Works 24/7
     
  2. MeAgain

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    Fatal Injury Reports, National, Regional and State, 1981 - 2020

    2020, United States Firearm Deaths and Rates per 100,000
    All Races, Both Sexes, Ages 0 to 19

    ICD-10 Codes: W32-W34,X72-X74,X93-X95,Y22-Y24,
    Y35.0,*U01.4
    Number of Deaths 4,368
    Population
    81,254,355
    Crude Rate 5.38*

    *(This data accessed through Fatal Injury Reports, National, Regional and State, 1981 - 2020 data report by listing 1999 - 2020, all intents, firearms, and custom age group of 1 to 19. All other data fields as default on the CDC WISQARS Fatal Injury Data request form.)
     
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  3. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    58 gun shots I believe as a fight breaks out in the parking lot.


    South Carolina Youth Baseball Gunshots Erupt Near Game
     
  4. Toecutter

    Toecutter Senior Member

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    Guns Now Leading Cause of Death for US Children from post #1465
    ^^^^^^^^^^
    Why the Switching to a different article from the one you posted ?
    So what you are saying in your last sentence from post # 1474 doesn’t actually apply to you.

    No mention of the word children in the CDC article……everything is broken down to age groups….
     
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  5. OnceAgain

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    It is sad that we have haters and people who stereotype firearms owners.. There are millions of people in this country who own firearms and are quite rational. This includes Black Americans and women. I support two gay groups that have picked up members after the Pulse shootings.

    There are multiple instances of firearms being used for legitimate self defense each year. But there are probably thousands of bullets sent down range in competition for each one used in any sort of violence including hunting.
     
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  6. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Because the article I posted was referencing the CDC report.
    Do you understand the concept?
    The CDC puts out a report, someone reads it, and then they write a simplified article based on the report, as most people aren't going to read the entire report.
    Whoever wrote the article used the word children. The original report did not.
    It's really pretty simple once you understand that if someone used all the words in the report, exactly as the report was written they would in fact just be reprinting the report, not writing about the report.

    The last sentence in post #1465 stands.
    Meanwhile I strongly suggest that anyone report any individual, including myself, who posts lies and promotes fear and misinformation on this site.
    If you feel I am posting lies and promoting fear and misinformation on this site I suggest you report me...please.
     
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  7. Toecutter

    Toecutter Senior Member

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    Maybe you can explain it

    As for reporting the problem, I did, I reported it to You ….
     
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  8. Toecutter

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    Simplify, is this the new meaning of rewrite to fit in the narrative that is desired ?
     
  9. MeAgain

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    Maybe you should report me to Skip or Zen as you seem to think I post misinformation, etc. etc.
     
  10. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Perhaps I can explain how articles are written.
    The original article I posted was from Web MD.
    Web MD is a leading web based information site dedicated to "human health and well-being".
    They reported the current CDC research pertaining to deaths by firearms, (and other means).
    Here is the headline they wrote for the article.
    Guns Now Leading Cause of Death for US Children
    Other articles based on this report have used different headlines.

    Now, you have to understand what a headline is.

    The aim of the headline is to summarize, grab the reader's attention, be straightforward, and make an emotional appeal.
    That's what this headline does.
    It summarized the point of article and the pertinent section of the CDC report it was discussing. (Guns Now Leading Cause of Death for US Children)
    It grabbed your attention and made an emotional appeal. (Death for US Children)
    And it was to the point. Again (Guns Now Leading Cause of Death for US Children)

    So the headline grabbed your attention and clearly evoked an emotional reaction in you.
    You latched onto the word children.
    That's fine, it was put there to grab your attention and invoke an emotional reaction.
    Unfortunately that's where you stopped. You didn't read or perhaps comprehend the remainder of the article.
    You disagreed with the word children being used in reference to the age group, which was clearly stated in the article.

    Instead of doing research, instead of checking sources, instead of searching for the underlining facts presented in the article you immediately claimed that the article was fake news and all the data was wrong becasue the word children was used in the title.

    You seem to claim the article was bias and I guess was written by someone or group who wants to take away your precious guns.
    Instead of looking at the article with compassion and contemplating why this age group is dying at a record rate due to firearms and searching for meaning and resolution to this problem of epidemic proportions resulting in the youth of this nation being cut down...you seem to only think that someone wrote this only because they want to take your guns away.

    No one suggested a banning of guns in this article or the CDC report. In fact the article stated, “
    It even pointed out that gun owners, in general, recognize the problem,
    So you read a headline, failed to follow up on what the article and the report the article referenced meant, jumped all over the word children and accused me and the authors of this article of writing and posting fake news without any rational reason for doing so.....
     
  11. Toecutter

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    I agree, this headline grabbed your attention, you quickly posted it with the idea that it will support a agenda.

    With the effort you have put in with multiple posts attempting to validate that post shows how desperate you are at pushing your agenda.

    As I have posted, I believe in facts…..

    Facts gathered directly from the source….

    To get the facts about information posted on the CDC website from another source that as shown the willingness to provide only the information that is wanted to push a desired agenda, gives validation of how desperate the author is to push its readers by any means available to give creditability the article.
     
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    Video: Football coach opens fire on people in the stands during practice


    A coach for a youth football team in Philadelphia fired shots at individuals in the stands and allegedly hit two people following an argument, according to the police.

    The gunman has been identified as the coach of the Blackhawks youth football team but no arrests have been made yet, according to a CBS3 report.

    Authorities have said one of the two victims was also a coach. According to Philadelphia Police Department press release a 37-year-old was shot once in the back and another 37-year-old was shot in the right hand.
     
  13. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    And what is my agenda?
    I posted an article of interest about gun violence in a thread about guns.

    So you now agree with the article that referenced the CDC study. Good.
    If you had taken the time to read and investigate what the article said instead of jumping all over one word we could have avoided this entire debate.
     
  14. Toecutter

    Toecutter Senior Member

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    That would be a NO,


    If you had taken the time to actually read the original article you would notice the problems with the article,

    Would you have excepted this kind of work from your students, or would you have simply ignored it and gave the student a perfect grade “A+ well done”
     
  15. Tyrsonswood

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    So... Let me get this straight.

    The article uses the word "children".

    The CDC report uses age groups and not the word "children"

    Thus neither are valid documents and need to be ignored.

    Seems legit...


    Meanwhile: The coaches of youth football teams have a shootout and that should be perfectly fine acceptable behavior.


    Also seems legit...
     
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  16. Toecutter

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    That would be accurate, as the CDC does not have a agenda other than providing facts.
     
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  17. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    So you think the article was fake news. Really? What part of it?
    I did read the article and several others that referenced the CDC report, and I read part of the report.
    I didn't see any problems at all. What problems did you find? Could you quote them please and give your reasons for finding them problematic.
    I taught stuff like woodshop, drafting, desktop publishing, pre engineering, etc. stuff like that, so most of of what I taught would not address this article. But as far as desktop publishing is concerned, yes I would have given them an "A". The page was very well laid out, nice graphics, no spelling or grammatical errors, factual, good alignment of visual elements, good unity, nice visual flow, clear readable fonts and sizes, and clearly posted references and links.

    Now back to my agenda.
    Are you going to tell me what it is?
    So far you have accused me of a variety of things including making posts that promote misinformation, fear, bias, and false and inaccurate information. Then you accuse me of switching articles for some reason, making statements that apply to others but not myself, making multiple posts to push my agenda (which you still haven't defined), and not reading the articles that I post.
    Really, in all fairness I believe I deserve an explanation as to why you would accuse me of all these things.
    Be specific please.

    I'll ask again, what is my agenda?
     
  18. MeAgain

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    Remember if you read the article it also lists the age group as 1 to 19.
    As far as the word children, I have two children myself, both in their 30s.
     
  19. Tyrsonswood

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    I didn't read the article, to be honest. Seems the whole problem with the article is the use of the word "children"... That must be an inflammatory word that points to some agenda, or someshyt...


    Gotta stick to the facts.

    "Child shoots father in the forehead" is inflammatory speech...

    "Eight year old shoots father in the forehead" is perfectly fine...


    Something like that... dunno.gif
     
  20. Toecutter

    Toecutter Senior Member

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    @MeAgain

    We are going to have to agree to disagree

    I’m done discussing this post…
     

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