Is it time to talk about guns?

Well I did loose four ducks, a goose, and my entire melon patch in one year.

But they're cheaper than bullets.

So you feel required smoke detectors, construction codes, Underwrite Lab standards, plumbing codes, swimming pool fences, ground fault outlets, grounding rods, sewage disposal, railing laws, etc. are all forms of some sort of dictatorship?
You have no problem with the sort of building standard shown below and feel all new homes can be constructed this way? (Sans the spider webs) No requirement to have insulated wiring for example, in your private environ?
Or are you just opposed to gun regulations?

​

 

Please explain what you are talking about.

 

What if there aren't children in the home? You could advance the same argument for smoke detectors, railing spacing, ground faults, etc. Children aren't he only ones that are irresponsible at times.

I think it's great to teach children to respect all sorts of things. I was taught to respect automobiles and the rules of the road. Didn't stop me when I was a teenager from speeding.
Children are naturally curious and irresponsible at times even when taught otherwise. In addition it's tough to teach a two year old what a gun is and what the consequences of playing with one could be. And don't tell me a two year old can't pull the trigger on some guns.

 

I think there is a misunderstanding as to how a law or regulation about securing guns in a home would work.

First of all I think 23 states have no laws at all about gun storage in the home. I may be wrong on the number, but it's around that.
No one is going to break into your house and demand to see how you store your guns, no one is going to issue a warrant to inspect how you store your guns without just cause.

But if some gun related issue arises with a gun you own and store in your home such as an accidental shooting involving a child, a gun being stolen from your home and used in a crime, a homicide or shooting involving your gun, and so on; then if there are laws in your state about proper gun storage, then and only then how you store or safe guard your gun or guns may be called into question and if it is then found that you violated a law or regulation then you may be subject to a fine or imprisonment.

A fine and or imprisonment could vary all the way from a misdemeanor in Utah, Mississippi and Tennessee for recklessly providing a firearm to a $15,000 fine or 12 years in prison in Massachusetts for storing a gun were a child could get access to it.

As of 2019.

 

Meanwhile Wisconsin Republicans introduced a bill allowing 18 year olds to carry concealed weapons. That sounds like a good idea, not. Of course they can't legally buy a weapon until they're 21 so they'll just have to circumvent background checks and such and buy their gun in the street.

They also want concealed guns on school grounds, in churches, in private schools, and to allow out of staters with concealed gun permits the same rights as Wisconsin citizens.

All to protect the 2nd Amendment, although I can't find anything in the 2nd about that.

 

I don't believe reckless endangerment can cover an improperly stored gun unless the act of improperly storing a gun is considered reckless.
In other words if a kitchen knife is stored in a kitchen drawer and a child finds it and hurts someone with it the owner of the knife can't be charged with reckless endangerment for storing a kitchen knife in a kitchen drawer as that is accepted practice, no law addresses such storage, and such storage would be considered the norm.
Same with a gun, if the storage of a gun under a bedroom pillow is considered the norm, as there is no law that addresses such storage, reckless endangerment can't apply.

As to loopholes.

Using that logic no laws can ever be implemented as the definition and implementation of any law or regulation will always provide the opportunity for someone to look for loopholes in that definition and implementation.

Ignorance of the law is seldom a sound defense, especially in the case of guns. Guns are a known hazard to any responsible, rational person who owns one as the primary purpose of a gun is to project a highly dangerous object great distances at a very high velocity. Any reasonable person buying and owning a gun knows it can generate tremendous harm, they aren't buying and possessing a basket ball or a spatula.

The old slippery slope argument. Just like those nasty smoke detector laws, now the feds can bust in to check my smoke detectors and bust me for downloading illegal videos.

 

I'll agree with that.
Anyone who owns a gun must attend mandatory training sessions at their own expense, pass periodic safety and proficiency tests, be found to be of sound mental capacity, have a background check run, posses some sort of insurance covering use and storage of their weapons, and a record maintained of the compliance of the above. And a card with a photo similar to a driver's license should be carried attesting to the above anytime the weapon is taken out in public, same as a diver's license.

 

Progressivism has not historically been associated with a lessening of gun laws. In fact progressives are usually the ones who want more regulation of firearms, not less.
So I don't know how you could describe a bill or law to allow 18 year old teenagers to carry concealed weapons progressive.
The idea of allowing 18 year old gang members to legally carrying concealed weapons doesn't seem very progressive to me.

 

I understand what you are saying, but the Wisconsin Republican sponsored Senate Bill 619 (SB619) was passed on Jan 13, 2022. This bill allows anyone who can legally own a gun to carry that gun in a concealed manner without obtaining a permit. No back ground check is needed, no forms to fill out, no permission needs to be granted.

The term adult has been changed to include 18 year olds. In Wisconsin any adult, under this bill age 18, may own a gun unless they have been convicted of a felony crime, have been found by a court of law to be addicted to drugs, mentally ill, incompetent, or under a restraining order.

Most gang members and other irresponsible 18, 19, and 20 year olds would not fall into this category until they do.
In other words even if there are gang members who are not allowed to own guns or carry them in a concealed manner, it is very simple to have other members in your gang who haven't as yet been convicted of any felony, etc. who will be allowed to carry concealed weapons as they stroll along beside some member who is not allowed to have a gun.

In addition as TrudginAcrossTheTundra pointed out, and I quote:

As he points out all this proposed bill will do is form "loopholes for people to get away with things" and open the door for the future possibility of allowing such things as even more types of guns to be carried in more public areas by more types of people such as those currently not allowed by state or federal law.

 

Here's an example of how open carry laws work for black folks.

​