Is it time to talk about guns?

People who take up arms against the rule of law because they don’t like the rule of law.
Think The storming of the Michigan Capitol last summer.

 

Carrier was the company. I’m still waiting for Apple to make their iPhones in this country. Basic economics says they won’t.

 

economics aside with the chemicals involved COULD they manufacture here with the epa etc? BTW I dont think its even a remote possibility that they would but......
Chemical breakdown: What really goes into your new iPhone | Daily Mail Online
Every phone sampled in the study contained at least one of following hazardous chemicals: lead, bromine, chlorine, mercury and cadmium

Is Your Cell Phone Toxic? (webmd.com)
none of the phones was 100% hazard-free, says Jeff Gearhart, research director of the nonprofit Ecology Center, the Ann Arbor-based environmental group that tested the phones. All of the models contained concerning levels of bromine, chlorine, lead, cadmium, or mercury.

 

Its in the aisle next to common sense

 

I know all about the Fake Trump Economy because all my brother truckers who owned their own trucks and went on contracts have now lost their lively-hood ... thanks to Trump.

 

Maybe the Other Guy is Vanilla Griller? Maybe Bald and Boofed? Maybe Soylent Green? Maybe 6 Butt Shmuck?

 

Does anyone here know what happened to Baconator who so very well predicted the events of January 6th?

 

Hmm I dont believe that is what I said I fully admit that I am lazy and dont always articulate my thoughts fully however I believe what I said is that I support freedom of choice and maybe should have added that when you exercise that choice one should be prepared for the consequence of said choice as for every action there is a reaction and as Geddy Lee once said "if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice"

 

Why is it a wide brush? He's talking about a specific group of people and a very specific act. It's an example of pin point accurate statements.

 

Who's morals? who's legality?
I can agree with basic human norms but my morality may not equal yours and vice/versa so, for example I certainly dont want the fundamental Christian majority morality deciding ANYTHING I can or cant do.
I prefer to go with the least restrictive option whenever possible

 

I would also posit that anyone choosing to commit mass murder is not sane

 

I am from Denmark.
Our gun laws are somewhat strange, or at least that is my oppinion of them.

You can own a firearm if you don't have a crinminal record and are not diagnosed with any mental health issues if:
1. You are a sports/target shooter and has been for at least 6 years, shotting a minimum of 2 times per week and if the bord of the gun/shooting club puts their name on a piece of paper saying they think you are responsible enough to own a firearm, basically they have to vouch for you, if all of those requirements are met, then you can aply for a firearms permit with the police, who will then do a background chaek on you and your closest relatives, to make sure you are mental well and not a criminal.

2.If you are in the reserve of the military then you can own a gun, but you must at all times keep the bolt securely locked away seperatly from the rifle, same thing goes for pistols, slide must be kept away from frame, except obviously when you use them, also you are not allowed to store ammunition with any part of the gun, the boltless rifle must also be locked away in a gun safe.

3. If you have a hunting permit, if you take the training to become a hunt and have permission to go hunting you can own a gun, the training is usually done during the weekends and typically lasts 3 month, after you complete your training you'll undergo an exam/test to see if you are fit/learned what you have to in order to becaome a hunter.
For hunters the rules are the same as for everybody else about keeping bolt and rifle in two seperate gun safes that can not be located in the same room in your house, same goes for ammunition.

On a peculiar sidenote, it wasn't untill 2-3 years ago that actually being able to hit your target was a requirement/part of the test for hunters. I thought it was weird because I suppose that is why you go hunting.

Gennerally speaking if you meet the above listed criteria you can own as many firearms as you wish, there are some exceptions or rather firearms you can not legally posess though they are: Shotguns with a capacity higher than 2 rounds, so basically you can own a side by side or an over/under, technically you can own a pump action shotgun as long as it only has a capacity of 2 rounds, and even if you do have own you are only allowed to practice with it.
Civilians are not allowed to own full auto weapons, unles you are a military reserve then you can own full auto.
shotguns loads well you are only allowed to shoot bird loads, and you are also only allowed to hunt birds with shotguns.

 

Bad guys, bad guys, bad guys – I ask again were these people born as criminals?

Where these people born to be drug addicts?

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As I’ve tried to explain many times in this thread and others – many on the right and in the pro-gun lobby display a mentality that ends up with them tackling symptoms and not the causes of problems.

It is often about seeing things in terms of personal responsibility not communal responsibility as been down to individual flaws not external circumstances, so if a person is disadvantaged then they must be lazy, if a person is addicted to drugs they must be weak willed, if they are unwell then it must be down to unhealthy lifestyles and if they are a criminal is because they are ‘bad guys’.

It is a mentality that is heavily promoted by wealth sponsored think tanks, media and right-wing political groups because the argument goes - if it is all about personal responsibility not the type of society that is in place then there is no point in paying for expensive social programmes aimed at helping people within the community because that is just rewarding ‘bad people’ for making ‘bad choices’ – much better -these wealth sponsored institutions say - to reward the hard working ‘good people’ that have made ‘good choices’ for example by giving them tax cuts (that favour the wealthy).

It is the same kind of mentality that underpins the pro-gun lobby – exemplified by the view - ‘the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun’

Crime and mass shootings are not about the society in which they happen, not social pressures or ease of access to lethal weapons, but is about the individual and their personal flaws - down to their mental problems or having ‘chosen’ to be a ‘bad’ person no societal remedies like social programmes or gun control will work and the best or only option is to have individual ‘good guys’ with guns

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But since such a mentality and the policy choices based on it do nothing to deal with the actual causes of social problems all you are left with are the symptoms.

 

Interesting list I definatley learned something there.

 

Some were born by criminals and brought up in a criminal enviroment, but ultimatley it is a choice to become a criminal, so NO they were not born as criminals