Is it time to talk about guns?

Cello

Then given all that has been said in this thread I’d guess you would be in favour of gun control – and if not why not?

 

Fritz

I would ask you to read post 611

The majority of those that seem to be preaching the need to be armed to protect the US from takeover are right wingers and often post against socialists and communists and their danger to America.

Now think of the example of the right-wing armed militias the squadristi that helped in the rise of fascism in Italy or the right-wing gruops that formed into the SA who helped in the rise of Hilter.

Both claimed to be defending their country from socialism and communism.

There are numerous armed right-wing groups in the US today as there were in pre fascistic Italy and Germany (Three Pecenters, Proud Boys, Oath Keepers etc) that are anti-communist and many on the right think the real danger to the US comes from are what they call ‘Antifa’ (anti-fascists).

And the US has already had one proto right-wing insurrection? (look up March on Rome and Beer Hall Putsch)

This is why I keep asking the same question - when would these gun owners act and against who?

 

The two main arguments of the pro-gun lobby are –

· guns ownership is good at tackling crime

· guns ownership is a protection against ‘tyranny’

Neither argument seems to stand up to scrutiny and nobody in the pro-gun lobby side seems able to address the criticisms of their stance.

I do have to wonder why gun control in the US is still such a contentious issue?

 

It's never about me. It's all about YOU! I'm just smiling in the sunshine.

We CAN rebuild!

As long as there are people in this world, there will be people choosing evil instead of good. We only have control over one of those people. Choose peace.

Most of our laws are unnecessary.

Which January 6 shooting are we talking about? The officer who shot the unarmed woman at the Capitol had to have been extremely accurate. He killed her with a single shot and the two officers chatting behind her did not seem concerned in the slightest for their own safety.

To your shame, you did.

Yes, there are people who are less successful in their interactions with police. These people come in all colors.

 

I don't see the benefit.

 

Yeah, probably

 

Cello

Sorry I ask again, have you read the thread?

I mean are you honestly saying you see no benefit in trying to limit the possibility of guns falling into the hands of the irresponsible or criminal?

 

If working-class folks enjoy something, the powerful are always looking for an excuse to take it away.

Workers used to smoke cigarettes at the bowling alley. It made them happy. Now it's illegal (for health reasons). But the bosses still enjoy their cigar bars.

Workers used to play basketball at the public courts. It made them happy. Now it's illegal (for health reasons). But the bosses still enjoy their golf courses.

It would be nice if someone proposed giving MORE FREEDOM to Americans, instead of nibbling away at the little pieces they have left.

 

masochism.*


On a more serious note, does anyone find it abhorrent that mass shooting has become routine? Media reports for one day tops, then... dismissed.

 

An interesting anecdote.

Do you think that stimulus for lower income reflects your theory? No one over was it $75,000 per year?

What about Medicare for all? We're trying to implement that to insure those who might find it otherwise difficult to secure health insurance.

Student loan forgiveness and free college...

Yeah, real tyrannical.




As you can see, I'm having trouble buying into the "big bad powerful government" explanations....



I find it more plausible that gun control will work quite well.

 

Wouldn't the internet qualify as said "FREEDOM"?

 

Cello

Are you saying that you think that the larger number of gun related homicides in the US is not down to easy access to more lethal weapons but down to the US having a much larger numbers of ‘evil’ people than other countries with much lower gun related homicides and much lower access to guns?

 

No benefit. If Al Capone wants guns, he will have them. If he wants to use them, he will. And he died in bed, a free man.

But Al Capone is dead and we are alive. And the birds are singing in the trees.

 

Cello

Sorry are you saying you are opposed to public heath regulations? You want your society to be more dangerous to people’s health?

Can you present a rational and reasonable argument for that?

 

Ok, this is pretty deep, but check this out:

Murders are caused by people choosing to murder.

Dancing is caused by people choosing to dance.

Smiling is caused by people choosing to smile.

Kindness is caused by people choosing to be kind.

 

People should be free to play in the dirt.

 

Cello

So you want gangsters to have easy access to guns and for large numbers of people to die unnecessarily – how is that a benefit to you society?

Well there would be a lot fewer birds in those trees after you got rid of the public health and environmental regulations, as you seem to.

 

Cello

Guns were designed to kill people dancing, smiling and kindness were not.

I ask again are you saying that you think that the larger number of gun related homicides in the US is not down to easy access to more lethal weapons but down to the US having a much larger numbers of ‘evil’ people than other countries with much lower gun related homicides and much lower access to guns?

 

Shane

Sorry it is no use just repeating yourself

Your statement still does not make sence if you actually wish to lessen the possibility of guns falling into the hands of the criminal and irresponsible

To repeat you said - Why is a locked home not good enough or vehicle not secure enough – in relation to securing a gun

And I had already explained that If a criminal gets into a house and steals a TV that TV is not a weapon and very unlikely to be used as one - so I think a gun which is a very lethal weapon needs to be more securely locked away than a TV

Are you denying that a gun is a more dangerous weapon than a TV?

 

Cello

And if unknown to the people playing in it the dirt is toxic because there are no public health regulations stopping people from polluting the environment?