Is it time to talk about guns?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Mar 24, 2021.

  1. Piobaire

    Piobaire Members

    I'd like to see your weapon's registration and proof of insurance, please.
    As for a documenting "sufficient education and competency", a CCP, which many states (including mine) are trying to rescend, Florida requires only 4 hours of instruction, precisely 1,496 less hours than that required by the State to demonstrate that you're sufficiently competent, sane, and morally upstanding enough to give me a haircut.
    Somebody might was well write it out on the back of a bar napkin.

    I don't know about you, but I'm nowhere near as concerned with a bad haircut as with some angry incompetent dimwit with a perpetual chip on their shoulder and a 9 mm Glock with a handful of 33 round extended magazines.
     
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  2. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Toe

    None come to mind and I’m supposedly in a high crime area

    So can you answer the questions - Why do you feel so scared that you feel you really need the reassurance of a gun for defence - what or who are you so frightened of?
     
  3. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Toe

    This is something I posted this a few years ago but it gives an idea

    I live in London it has a population of around 7.5 million and it only had 175 homicides between Apr-2005 to Apr-2006. In fact in 2009 there were only 651 murders in the whole of England and Wales with a population of around 55 million.

    But let us take an American city – Philadelphia* – it I believe has a population of around 6.1 million yet it had 406 homicides in that same year. So two Philadelphia’s with only 12.2 million people would create 812 murders, more than what is produced by 55 million Brits.

    So the question is are Americans more murderous or is it just that Americans have easier access to much more lethal weapons?

    *I was comparing a couple of urban areas of roughly the same size and population density

    Philadelphia - population density of 11,457 people per square mile
    London - population density of 11,760 people per square mile
     
  4. Piobaire

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    If you can't go get a cup of coffee unarmed, you're not a patriot exercising your 2nd Amendment rights, you're a goddamned coward.
    Real Americans don't arm themselves against their fellow citizens.
     
  5. Toecutter

    Toecutter Members

    Excellent answer Sir, one that my only comment is he was investigated by the FBI ? After a family member called stating they thought he was suicidal and that he had a shotgun, and that he may commit suicide by cop, The FBI investigation cleared him.
     
  6. Piobaire

    Piobaire Members

    Oh; so it's all good. I'm quite sure that will be a great comfort to his victim's families...that his right to own a mass-murder machine (plural; two of them) supersedes their loved one's right not to get massacred and reduced to a steaming pile of lifeless bloody meat on the floor.
     
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  7. Toecutter

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    @Piobaire

    I have seen firsthand what our fellow man is capable of , You ?
     
  8. Toecutter

    Toecutter Members

    Punish everyone for his and others actions, confiscation of all weapons is your answer or just the ones you don’t like?
     
  9. Piobaire

    Piobaire Members

    Yeah; I know good and goddamned well what a 5.56 does to the human body...funny; to the "target" downrange, it doesn't matter a good goddamn if it was a round from an AR-15 or an M-16 (I've fired both).
    Not just seen it; I can still smell it in my dreams.
     
  10. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Toe

    LOL sorry do you work in fortune cookie factory – cos I think that’s a reject

    I ask again - Why do you feel so scared that you feel you really need the reassurance of a gun for defence - what or who are you so frightened of?
     
  11. Toecutter

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    If you have seen the carnage firsthand then you know what your fellow citizens are capable of doing to one another

    It is your decision to do as you wish, as it is mine
     
  12. Toecutter

    Toecutter Members

    Frightened, no , I have a fire extinguisher, and a spare tire in my vehicle, do I expect to need them, no, but if needed they are available, what is the saying, “ better the have and not need than to need and not have “
     
  13. Piobaire

    Piobaire Members

    Going to a gunfight? The average civilian firefight involves three rounds at a range of three meters. Really need a weapon for self defense? .357 or 1911A1, not a high-cap assault rifle or a hand-held version of same.
    Going deer hunting? Pro tip; deer don't shoot back. Any modern variant of the 03A3 or Mauser 98 with a blind box magazine and three rounds. Can't bag a deer with three rounds? Go home and play Nintendo.
    Upland bird hunting? Side-by-side or over-and-under, your choice. If it's still flying after two rounds, it's out of range; firing a semi-auto or pump at it like an anti-aircraft gun won't help.
    Want to Rambo-cosplay and carry an assault rifle? There's a recruitin' sergeant in that little office next to the Shop n' Save who'd just love to hook you up.
    Look, ma; gun ownership with no assault weapons!

    Ban civilian ownership of weapons of mass death.
    Register them.
    License them.
    De jure locked storage with ammo stored separately.
    "Red Flag" laws.
    Simple common sense.
     
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  14. Toecutter

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    Do you own what you just discussed, is that what you are putting in your hand when your wife awakens you in the middle of the night when she hears a bump ?
     
  15. Tyrsonswood

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    If "enhanced background checks" means "confiscation of all weapons" to somebody... then maybe that somebody should not own a gun.
     
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  16. Piobaire

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    Nope. As I said before; real Americans don't arm themselves against their fellow citizens.
    I'm also able to understand other's legitimate needs for gun ownership without feeling the need to own one myself.
    Having had my right shoulder surgically reconstructed, the thought of a long weapon's recoil is quite an unpleasant one...makes my shoulder ache just to contemplate it.
     
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  17. Toecutter

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    I agree, not everyone should be able to own a gun, but who makes the that decision ?
     
  18. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Toe

    A fire extinguisher and a spare tire are not weapons specifically designed to maim and kill other human beings.

    I don’t have a fire extinguisher in my house I think we do in the car but that’s because that’s the law in some European countries although I haven’t seen it for a while so we may have lost it.

    I have a smoke alarm because of house insurance and because if fire happened and you were asleep then you could be dead from the smoke a long time before you could use the extinguisher.

    Thing is that a lot of time and effort is spent trying to limit risk in such areas often involving laws and regulation. For example, fire regulations in buildings and for manufactured goods are about limiting the risk of fire, work and public places have more regulation attached to limit fire risk. I’ve been taught how to use a fire extinguisher for my work, but the advice of fire fighters is to get out and leave it to the professional whenever possible.

    Thing is that I don’t fear being ‘attacked’ so much by a fire that I feel the need to have a fire extinguisher to hand.

    You've said you specifically have a gun because you fear your fellow humans (because you have seen firsthand what your fellow man is capable of) – and for that reason you fear they will attack you.

    Why do you have such high levels of fear of other people that you feel you need the reassurance of a gun for defence
     
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  19. Toecutter

    Toecutter Members

    What is a real American to you ?

    So when the “bump” happens you’re counting on your fellow man to be nice and walk away ?
     
  20. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Toe

    You are saying you are so frightened all the time that if you hear a bump in the night you instantly reach for a gun because you think someone is going to try and kill you?

    If me and my wife hear a bump in the night we presume its the cat turn over and go back to sleep.

    It really is not good for your mental health to have that level of fear all the time
     
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