Is it OK to kill certain animals?

Discussion in 'Animal Advocates Support' started by freediver, Feb 21, 2009.

  1. largeamount

    largeamount Senior Member

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    i like eating exotic animals like zebras and giraffes and german shepherds
     
  2. jnorton47

    jnorton47 Cosmic Traveler

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    Sorry Bella, but it does not work that way. We can not survive by consuming inorganic materials. And any organic material was alive at some point. After all grain is the children for grass. Plants are living things. Seeds (Grains, nuts and the like.) are all living things. Its a fact of life. Like it or not, we live by the death of other living things. Your only chose is to accept it or starve to death. I sincerely hope you do not chose the latter. I would miss you intensely.
     
  3. jnorton47

    jnorton47 Cosmic Traveler

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    Okay. Here the bottom line of this. Humans (Homo sapiens) that us, are not herbivores. We are not carnivores. We are omnivores. Our digestion system is designed to handle many different types of foods. And, it work best when we vary are diet. Also, Homo Sapiens are a predator species so get over it.

    Now I applaud those who become vegetarians to be kind to animals. But this is an individual decision and should not be forced on anyone. I am not accusing anyone here a forcing there idea on others here. I am just saying that choosing to kill animals for food and whither this is good or bad is subjective and a chose for individuals to make for themselves.
     
  4. sunfighter

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    Keep in mind that some religions, like Buddhism, say clearly that killing animals is to be avoided. It's not an individual decision for a Buddhist.
     
  5. sobebella

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    i beg to differ, i believe we could creat something, it would need fat and calaries and stuch, but im sure we could synthaize that up in a lab, they claim to do it all the time, i saw a thing where they made a bit of beef that in no way harmed an animal, though i think they took a small skin sample for the original, but from that they can create without another living animals tissue, to create inorgantic meat :)
     
  6. sunfighter

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    That's a lot of trouble to go to just to avoid eating tofu :D
     
  7. jazzyjerms09

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    PETA is an organization that is out of control in my opinion.
    I think they do the things they do just to do them.
    They go to ridicoulous lengths to "support animal rights" but really, I think they do it for solely publicity.
    I know that wasn't your question at ALL, but I needed to vent that.
    haha
    I don't kill bugs! Besides ticks. Ick.
     
  8. sobebella

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    very random :p


    but yeah i dont support peta eather, as they support animal euthinization, i say help the animals not kill them.
     
  9. neone

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    It is an individuals decision to be a buddist though but i suppose if you didnt eat meat you would be pretty malnourished and passive, so if thats your thing then i suppose you wouldnt mind. haha.

    And anybody who thinks its a good idea to manufacture meat in a lab, or eat paste from a tube for nutrition, needs to have a think about things.. haha
     
  10. sunfighter

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    Famous vegetarian athletes include Robert Parish, Martina Navratilova, Prince Fielder, and Carl Lewis.
     
  11. neone

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    I bet they took suppliments... haha
     
  12. Stabby

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    What you have to remember about supplements is that theyre derived from food. A vegan diet can easily provide all the nourishment an athlete needs. You act as if supplements are necessary for vegans to be athletes (when theyre not) and that for some reason supplementing is worthy of ridicule, its not. Everyone should be supplementing for all sorts of nutrients and most athletes use supplements anyway.

    I dont feel as if the vegan diet is completely optimal for me health-wise as I metabolize carbohydrates too quickly and vegan diets are high in carbs. But carb types and athletes who exercise fervently make very healthy vegans.

    Honestly, neone. You come off as completely ignorant when it comes to diet and nutrition. Where do you get your information?
     
  13. sobebella

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    in addition to stabby's post:

    not to mention, eating lotsa fruits an vegis=lotsa energy ;)
     
  14. Argiope aurantia

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    I kill insects when they're in my home: my territory. Outside is their territory, and I see no need to kill them there. Also, if I can conceivably catch them and put them outside without making a pest problem (Flies, roaches and wasps DIE.) worse, I will do so. The only spiders I kill are the brown recluses, because I've seen the damage a single bite can do, and only when they show up in my living space. If they're in the walls, basement, or outside, they're very useful critters.

    As for other animals, when they are a necessary part of my loved ones' diets I don't mind their demises. I'm veg, but my husband can't go for a week sans meat before getting sick. He doesn't eat much of it, just one serving of dead animal weekly will do him. An old man I know is a farmer with five hungry mouths to feed at home and no outside job. His chickens never know pain, just a quick moment of "What's he doing with that axe?" He also hunts every season, but no more than his family needs and he hates the sport hunters with a passion. I don't grudge his family nutrition.
     
  15. neone

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    haha why do i hear meat refered to as 'dead animal' all the time?
    I think that is an incredibly immature and disrespectful way to refer to the sacrifice of that animals life.

    I think a mistake that those morally superior veggies make is that they have convinced themselves that the circle of life does not apply to them, that they are somehow outside the laws of nature, like some kind of peace keepers that watch over everything, and the sustanance of their life does not come from the death of other life. hahaha
     
  16. Argiope aurantia

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    It's been a running gag in my family for years. I'm the first veg, and my family is really, er, confused by it, but when I was a kid we'd refer to chicken as "dead bird," comparing it to feline leftovers in the backyard.

    Honestly, my dietary choices stemmed from two things.
    1. A biology teacher mentioned how much grain goes into producing a pound of meat, and my burgers started looking like ten hungry kids that I knew personally. Meat got difficult.
    2. After discussing the matter with my then-fiance, I tried vegetarianism for a couple of weeks. . . and lost the ability to digest it. My body chemistry made the final decision for me.

    Of course, I do make a point to wear leather whenever the PETA fiends show up on campus, because nothing pisses them off like a vegetarian in a leather jacket. I had it when I ate meat, and it's my favorite jacket. I'm not giving it up.
     
  17. kevincoughlin

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    I think we all should kill animals. It would help the economy, then reduce carbon dioxide, therefor stopping Global Warming.
     
  18. neone

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    its funny how your biology teacher knows how much it takes to feed cows grain, but doesn't know that cows aren't actually supposed to eat grain.... haha
     
  19. Shale

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    Yeah, cows eat just whatever seeds happen to be on the plants they would naturally consume. Left to their own devices in a cornfeild they would go for the ears before eating the leaves.

    But the ref was to cows being fed unnatural amounts of grain to produce meat. It is a waste of grain that could be better used by humans directly.
     
  20. Shale

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    Well the animals are all going to die eventually, but yes, if we stopped raising large herds of bovines for the meat industry, there would be a lessening of methane (cow farts) in the atmosphere. I don't know if it would really help global warming, but worth a try - and ppl would be healthier for it.
     

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