Is God a Universalist or has he condemned some of us?

1 kings 22 --

God put a lying mouth in the spirit of the prophets so they would convince Ahab to go to battle so that he would be slain in battle.

2 chronicles 18 --

same story as 1 kings 22

Jeremiah 4:1 --

"If you will return, O Israel," says the Lord, "Return to Me; And if you will put away your abominations out of My sight, Then you shall not be moved.

Ezekiel 14: 9-11

"And if the prophet is induced to speak anything, I the Lord have induced that prophet, and I will stretch out My hand against him and destroy him from among My people Israel. And they shall bear their iniquity; the punishment of the prophet shall be the same as the punishment of the one who inquired, that the house of Israel may no longer stray from Me, nor be profaned anymore with all their transgressions, but that they may be My people and I may be their God," says the Lord God.' "

so why did God put a lying spirit in the mouth of the prophets? because of the transgressions of Israel.

 

Christians always give God excuses for his sins.

You call evil good.

Your theology is based on human sacrifice and punishing the innocent so it is not surprising that your morals have been compromised.

Regards
DL

 

you call good evil.

yes the innocent should suffer to save the unjust. that is the message of the cross.

 

And that message is what allows you to display such a corrupt moral view.


Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]

How will you get yourself into heaven? On your own merit or via a scapegoat?

Revisit substitutionary atonement or vicarious redemption and scapegoating with me just to refresh your memory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNtBkOXItqw"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNtBkOXItqw

I am not an atheist but Satan and Christians want atheists to embrace barbaric human sacrifice and the notion that we should profit from punishing the innocent instead of the guilty. Scapegoating IOW.

In reality, if God did demand such a barbaric sacrifice, he would be sinning as we all know that it is immoral to kill the innocent. God knows this yet Christians do not seem to. You do. Right?

Those with good morals will know that no noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a son just to prove it's benevolence. When you die, Satan will ask you; how was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood?

If and when you say yes, you become his.

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The other option in scriptures, a moral one, is shown here. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Scriptures indicate that God prefers repentance to sacrifice and as God’s will is supreme and cannot be thwarted, this will come to pass.

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It is a special distorted Christian view of love that sees, --- as the greatest act of love possible, --- their God condemning them, and then turning and demanding his son’s deaths and thus corrupting God's perfect justice. A bribe set by God as judge himself for himself. This is of course ridiculous.

Christians have an insane view of love, IMO.

Would you express your love for humanity or those you love by having your own child needlessly murdered?

Or if convinced that a sacrifice was somehow good, would you have the moral fortitude to step up yourself to that cross instead of sending your child?

Your cowardly God did not.

Regards
DL

 

it is a good thing that a person should suffer to help another human being. this is what Christ did for us, even to the point of death.

like, if I was to give up some of my time and energy so that I could help someone. Christ gave up his life to help others.

 

Only someone really stupid would condemn people and then turn around and sacrifice himself to himself to appease his own wrath against those he supposedly loves.

Only immoral people would try to take advantage of an obviously insane God.

It is a great thing to die for ones friends but not a great thing at all if you have condemned them ahead of time.

Only idiots would follow such an idiot and immoral God.

Regards
DL

 

if you could see the righteousness of God, it would not be hard to see how far man has fallen.

when I talk to my grandparents they say, "man society is so wicked today." that is because even in two generations there has been a rapid decay of morality. now imagine the decay of morality that has occurred in the last few thousand years.

yes, I would condemn many of my peers for their low moral values. But I hope that one day they can get some morals.

So then if God holds a standard of righteousness that is from the beginning, then His judgement is just and it is not hard for Him to see how unrighteous the world has become.

 

It must be a bitch to be so lacking in information and to be so ill informed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo"]Hans Rosling's 200 Countries, 200 Years, 4 Minutes - The Joy of Stats - BBC Four - YouTube

http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_pinker_on_the_myth_of_violence?language=en

http://www.ted.com/talks/kevin_bales_how_to_combat_modern_slavery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Oww4Ap3YZA"]Doug Stanhope: Voice of America - FEAR IN THE U.S. NEWS MEDIA - YouTube

You and your poor morals are not worth anymore of my time.

Come back with a changed attitude or please have the good manners to ignore me.

Regards
DL

 

life expectancy and wealth does not equal morality.

war? our country is in a constant state of war. in fact my friend is over in the middle east right now.

 

Thanks for showing your poor morals and maners.

I can appreciate how Christians would see us helping the poor as not having moral implications.

After all, Jesus did not say to look to the poor. Except he did.

I guess I will have to show my manners and ignore you and your satanic ways. and morals.

Regards
DL

 

Really? In the "O.T." "King James version", the word hell occurs about 31 times, so what are you talking about?

 

Interesting posts, Desos :2thumbsup:

 

How much suffering is helpful? If someone asks me for something to eat should I cut off a piece of my thigh and give it to them?

He commended his spirit to god.

I desire mercy, not sacrifice.

 

It also has Peter, Paul and Mary.

What are English names doing in the distant past and in the middle East?

Jew wrote the O. T. and they have no concept of hell so Christians are plagiarizing the Jewish works incorrectly.

Regards
DL

 

They had a different concept of it but still words for it. Those words got translated as hel later on (probably with some other language between english and the original too, like old greek). I don't think plagiarizing is the most accurate term here.

 

You might have a point.

This term is better perhaps. Pseudepigrapha.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudepigrapha

The point is, we have no idea who really wrote the bible.

I do know that it is foolish to read it literally.
So should you.

Regards
DL

 

I can't discuss anything at this point with this germinating group. God is giving ME for the WE, the living, too much of an even break. It is the cyber space that is NOW doing WE injustice. I guess I'll just have to live with the Mitsein as it Be.

 

Great, now try answering the question.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudepigrapha

To reads scriptures literally is foolish. That are all myths.

As a Gnostic Christian, I promote taking whatever myth you like and internalizing it. If you seek hard, that will give you your apotheosis.

Try it and find the only God you can ever have a personal contact with.

Regards
DL

 

Then, do you like the Narc questions of the nineties? Are love and peace really ever compatible for the universal meaning of knowing social structure? If you had a big load of wealth disposed by mistake at your transit use for the authorities; would you ignore those authorities and take It?