Is God 1 or 3? [Or] Is Jesus God or part of God? [Let the Gospel answer]

Dear campbell34
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mmm dear Campbell, the original text of the OT was written in Hebrew language right, so let us ask any Hebrew (Jewish who can speak Hebrew) if they are have the same rule (grammar) as the Arabic language grammar regarding thisè (that there are two kinds of plural, 1. plural for [number]è (number of things, e.g. appleè apples) 2. plural for esteem and respect etc (it is used for personage people and God)
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I think it is better to refer to the Hebrew's grammars. I think it is the same grammar because if not then why Jews didn't understand US/OUR as Christians? Acts 17: 18 regarding Paul: … He seems to be advocating foreign gods. And if we understand US/OUR as you then it contradicts with many verses which I mentioned some of them! If there are two conflicting verses, then only one can be true; both can never be true or both are wrong.
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We should believe in the real concept of the verses. If I will understand it as your understanding then it contradicts with many verses which I mentioned some of them in my former posts and in some other threads.
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I already commented on this verse in my former posts in this thread!
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Allah stated [Quraan]
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O people of the scripture! Why do you mix truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know?
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YoursSincerely,​

CatStevens


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If the above verse means that then there is no contradiction with many verses which I mentioned some formerly, let's take for example these verses in John 17,21: that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be inus so that the world may believe that you have sent me 22: I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
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Notes on the above verses
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That all of them may be oneè it goes without saying that this is a metaphor.
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That all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you, just as è points to a likening isn't it? They couldn't be one Physically, it is a metaphor, the word ‘one’ is being used figuratively to mean in agreement probably, If their belief of Jesus' message is in alignment with what Jesus has ordered, then, in an allegorical sense, they are ‘one’ with Jesus who himself believe in the same belief and If the message of Jesus is in alignment with what God has ordered, then, in an allegorical sense, he is ‘one’ with God.
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May they also be inusè could this being be physically? Of course no. it is clear that God and Jesus are one here May they also be in us, if Jesus is God because he is in God and they are one, why are the disciples then not God, as they all are like Jesus also in God May they also be in us, if God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost form one unit of trinity, then with the disciples included they should form a God unit of fifteen! I know you will say it is a metaphor if so then on what you based this, on what you base if whether this is a metaphor or literal? As I said if we will consider it as one literally then it contradicts with the other verses in both OT and NT which I mentioned some of them!
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That the world may believe that you have sent me could a God be a prophet of Godè (a prophet of him!) at the same time? Jesus himself stated that he is a prophet [Mark, 6.4] Isn't each Prophet a messenger of God at the same time because the messenger is a person who carries a message from someone to someone else and all prophets carries massages from God (revelation), that you have sent me, sentè send: send a message or something so he is a messenger! IF Jesus is God, Could a God be a messenger of him at the same time? If so what is the use of prophets and messengers? I.e. it doesn’t need to call himself (Jesus) a prophet; because he came by himself he doesn't send a messenger! If I send you a book by my friend (John) john is the messenger, but if I [myself] come to you I can't say that I am the messenger? Or I sent me to you? I shouldn't use ''sent'' at all! So Jesus is a messenger and prophet of God exactly as the all prophets and messengers who were before him Matthew 5.17: Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. He came to fulfill them, no one of the past prophets talked about the trinity! Could a god liken himself to the prophets when he is saying that he came to fulfill which means to fulfill their job in conveying the message!
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I in them and you in me now is this a metaphor too? Is Jesus in them literally? If so then they are Gods because God is in Jesus literally!
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YoursSincerely,​

CatStevens


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John 1: 1: in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the ward was God
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Myself I couldn't understand this verse, but when I read it many questions passes my mind, some of them I already mentioned them in my post #17,
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[1] How was the word with him if he himself the word? Is it right to say: the pen is with me and the pen is me? I don't have to say the pen is with me if I am the pen itself! I think it is a wrong phrasing, except if I understood it wrongly. If somebody will tell me that:'' Simon is me and Simon is with me!'' I will understand directly that he means that he is Simon and with him a friend or brother etc whose name Simon too, but not the same Simon; it is separated from the first Simon totally! Or in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the ward was God if the word was a 'god' in the literal sense, it would mean that there were two gods and not one, and that contradicts with many verses which talks about the oneness of God! In the beginning was the word è (God #1), and the wordè (God #1) was with God (God #2), and the wardè(God #1) was God i.e. in the beginning was the Godè because the ward was God isn't it?, and the God was with God, what now they are 2 or three or one? (Isaiah 43: 10-12)… understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour (Isaiah 43: 10-12)… I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. What now they are 2 or three or one? God said that he is the first and the last! Where is the position of the Holy Ghost? Who is God #1, the father or Jesus or the Holy spirit In the beginning was the word è (God #1), and the wordè (God #1) was with God (God #2), and the wardè(God #1) was God there is no room for the third God? Could Jesus be the God number two, but God in Isaiah says that he is the first and the last? So there is only one? there is no second nor third?
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In the biblical language, the term 'god' rarely is used metaphorically to indicate power probably or something. E.g. KJV Exodus 7.1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet, is this god now literally or what? If so then why the Jewish don't worship him? There will be 4 God? Jesus, Father, Moses and the Holy Spirit which is the Angel Gabriel. Let me ask you why God at the time of Moses didn't tell the Jewish that Gabriel the Holy Spirit is god too, why they Jewish don't worship Gabriel???? Is Gabriel became God at the time of Jesus?! Does Gabriel should not be worshipped till the time of Jesus' birth????? But God should be worshipped in all times past present and future?
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you are saying that Jesus is the God and the creator (the word was God) (through him all things were made), so we have now 2 gods, while there is one God in (Isaiah 45: 18) For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. Accordingly God alone was the creator, read Mark 12.29: And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lordè what does he mean by our? Does a God have a God? If there are two conflicting verses, then only one can be true; both can never be true or both are wrong. Ok let's read (1Timothy 2: 5) for there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, what does man mean?
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This verse points to two identities: (1) one God, and (2) one mediator
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(Jesus)! Jesus is described as “the man.” man = Human right! Accordingly, we can dear brother read the verse in this way: for there is one God and one human mediator between God and humans, the Human Christ Jesus The verse did not call him “the God Christ Jesus." But the ''man'' and concentrate on this verse very well the mediator who is Jesus is separated from God totally by saying one God and one mediator he separated that mediator [Jesus] from the One God! Read for there is one God, and one mediator, so Jesus isn't God. Don't tell me that while he is in the human figure then he isn't God, he still God because if I am a male and my name is Stevens but I changed my gender to a female, I still Stevens but I changed my gender? I still have the same soul, brain and thoughts etc? Jesus isn't God as he himself clarified that according to (KJV Matthew: 19.16-17) which I explained it with details in post #1
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KJV Matthew 15: 9; Jesus peace be upon him stated: but in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
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Quraan. Allah stated:
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*And whoever invokes (or worships) besides Allah, any other god of whom he has no proof; then his reckoning is only with his Lord.
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* Is there any god with Allah? Say (O Muhammad) : bring forth your proofs, if you are truthful.
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*(1 Thessalonians 5.21) prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
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*Romans 2.8: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath
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* (Isaiah 43: 10-12)Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: Acts 17: 18 regarding Paul: … He seems to be advocating foreign gods.
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* (Isaiah 43: 10-12)Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
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*Deuteronomy 13. 2, 5: whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods…shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.
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*Deuteronomy 13. 6-9: If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him;thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die
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YoursSincerely,​

CatStevens
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I asked you, when did Jesus say that he is the creator? You gave me the first verses of the Gospel of John, I said Jesus what you gave is something else it isn't written that [John 1: 1: Jesus stated: in the beginning...]Etc, so these statements were not made by Jesus, nor were they attributed to him by the author of the Gospel according to John.
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[John, 5.30] by myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
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read with me, [ Acts, 2.22] peter is the speaker: Men Of Israel, listen to this [ me and you Campbell let us listen to this too] Jesus the Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which god did among you through him, as you yourselves know. I won't comment I really became tired I didn't sleep only for about 2 or three hours
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Read these too, KJV John 12. 44: Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. Again he separates himself from the God,,, or what does he mean, I am tired and can't understand this
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John 8. 40: But now ye seek to kill me, aman that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God Again he separates himself from the God, I told you he is a messenger and prophet hearing the teachings from God like all the previous prophets John 7.16: Jesus answered, My teaching is not my own, it comes from him who sent me. Why he didn't say once I am god, never ever? At this critical moment of his life, Jesus testified himself that he is “a man.” Why didn’t he clearly and openly say: “Now you seek to kill me, God incarnate, who has told you the truth?” Is it possible that he was hiding the truth? If Jesus is a god and god taught him see [John 8.28] Moses' god have never been taught by anyone because he is the Al-Knower, so Moses' god is different? Moses' god isn't Jesus, because Jesus is a god who learns from a god.
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OK read this one, it is really enough proof, John 20.17
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I prefer to write another new thread about Jesus OK.
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But this verse before I conclude please read it dear Campbell John 14.16
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and I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; which means he is comforter not god otherwise this next comforter is god too e.g. I will give you another pen? Which means you have pen but I will give another one, not another thing like ruler or sharpener, otherwise don't use 'another' however, I will explain these verse in new thread, but dear brother, I am not writing this to obligate you leaving Christianity or whatever, that's up to you, I ask myself and you to be honest and true to ourselves. And regarding the prophesies I will comment on it in another thread OK DEAR. May me and you be the disciples of Jesus after his return, and be in paradise, Amen.
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Peace and love.
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Heres a problem. No, Jesus did not say He created the earth, but those who wrote the Bible said He did. And these men were in a position to know what Jesus did, and much more so then you or I. Now if these men were truly dishonest, they could of had Jesus saying He create the earth. But those who wrote the Book were honest men, so they wrote as God instructed them to. If you are going to start picking and choosing what you want to believe about the Bible, then why believe any of it. Especially if the only thing you want to believe, is left to your personal opinion. Is this how you look at Scripture. ''Oh, I believe that, but I could never believe what John said there, and I never trusted Peter, but I think Paul was ok in my book.'' This is exactly how not to approach the Bible. If you ever want to know the truth, you must believe that God could Author a Book without mistakes. If the Bible is a Book that is filled with errors, then the God that Authored it, is not much of a God. Does it really make sense that this God could create the universe, but now He can't preserve a Book, or even get it to read correctly. The Bible is not a Book that allows you to pick and choose. You donot spin the bottle with the Bible to determine it's truth, and God is not the Author of confusion. Either the Bible is the 100% inspired Word of God, or it is not.

Still looking to get your take on Ezekiel 36, 37, 38, and 39.

 

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Do you mean that there are verses which are attributed to him by the authors of the Gospels regarding the creation of earth? If so, and if you know a verse like this, please give me the number of the verse and chapter, however, if so then it contradicts with the other verses which I mentioned some of them in my former posts. But the verse which you quoted it was not made by Jesus, nor was attributed to him by the author of the Gospel according to John.
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Oh man! How can I claim then that I am a Muslim?, Muslim should believe in the Torah and Gospel and it isn't a personal opinion, let me tell ya about me belief,
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1- Allah stated in Quraan:
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2:136: say (O Muslims), '' we believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and to [the offspring of the twelve sons of Jacob] and that which has been given to Mosesè (Torah) and Jesus è (Gospel), ….''Accordingly, Jesus and Moses are prophets of Allah and the Gospel and the Torah have been revealed to them from Allah.
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2- What happened was that all of these prophets (before Muhammad) were not well received by the majority of the people, for instance they started tampering [corrupting] with the teachings of Moses and Jesus peace be upon them. That is why Allah has sent Muhammad with the last Message (i.e. the Quraan) to bring all of mankind back to the true belief and to worship one God, without partners or intermediaries.
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Examples regarding the corrupting:
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[NIV]Matthew: 15: 3:
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And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? … 6: … Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7: You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you 8: These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9: they worship me in vain; their teaching are but rules taught by men.
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Quraan: 2: 79:
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Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, ''This is from Allah'' …Woe to them for what their hands have written
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Quraan: 2:85:
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… Then do you believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest?
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(Matthew: 19.16-17) (NIV)
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Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”
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(Matthew: 19.16-17) (KJV)
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One came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do,
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that I may have eternal life? And he (Jesus) said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
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Compare between the colored sentences with orange and blue in NIV and KJV
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Quraan: Allah stated: [4.171]
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O people of the scripture (Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah Jesus son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah and his word (''Be!" -and he was) which he bestowed on Merry and a spirit created by him, so believe in Allah and his messengers. Say not: "three (trinity)! Cause! (It is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) one god, glorified is He (far exalted is He) above having a son
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28: one of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him" of all the commandments, which is the most important?''29: '' the most important one'' answered Jesus '' is this: hear, O Israel, the lord our God, the lord is one.
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So, Allah told us that the Torah and the gospel have been corrupted; therefor Allah has sent Muhammad with the last Message (i.e. the Quraan)
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Quraan: 15:9:
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Verily, I, it is I who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. Quraan) and surely I will guard it (from corruption).
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Quraan: 27:76:
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Verily, this Quraan narrates to the Children of Israel most of that in which they differ.
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For Muslims the Qur’an is the last but not the only holy book revealed by Allah to mankind through His messengers. It is, however, the only holy book which remained intact from the time of its revelation until the present time. No addition, deletion, or interpolation found its way into the Qur’an. As such, Muslims do not need any other scriptures to base their faith on, either in full or in part.
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On the other hand, it is erroneous to think that Muslims reject the Bible in too and do not accept a single passage of it. There are at least two reasons for this:
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a) One of the main articles of faith in Islam is the belief in all prophets and messengers sent before the advent of the last of them, Prophet Muhammad. This also necessitates believing in the holy books revealed to those prophets in the original forms of their revelation;
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b) The fact that the transmission of earlier revelations, prior to the Qur’an suffered from inaccuracies and misinterpretations does not justify a total and categorical rejection of such scriptures. There are bound to be some passages and portions of the Bible whose essence, if not wording, need not be rejected by Muslims.
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Criterion of Acceptance
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What is the Muslim basis or criterion for accepting or not accepting portions or passages from the Bible? The Qur’an itself provides such criterion:
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“And I have sent down to you (O Muhammad) the Book (this Quraan) in truth, confirming the Scripture (Books) that came before it, and a watch over it .... “ (Qur’an 5:48)
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This emphasizes two main aspects of the Qur’an:
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a) The Qur’an confirms those teachings or passages of previous scriptures which remained intact.
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b) The Qur’an is the last, complete, authoritative and authentic revelation. It is the final arbiter and the only criterion to correct any inaccuracy or misinterpretation which might have occurred in the transmission of scriptures. It helps in discovering human additions to or interpolations of previous revelations, even as it reveals possible deletions which might have taken place through the centuries prior to its revelation (the Qur’an). Indeed one of the names of the Qur’an is al-Furqan (the criterion which distinguishes between right and wrong, truth and falsehood).
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It follows therefore that a Muslim has no reason to reject the essence of any passage in the Bible if such a passage is confirmed by the Qur’an. For example, we read in the NT a reiteration of one of the Ten Commandments:
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“And Jesus answered him. The first of all commandments is hear, 0 Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord” (Mark 12:29)
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A Muslim who reads this passage in the Qur’an can find no objection to its essence. After all the Qur’an confirms:
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“Say He is Allah, the One and Only (God)” (The Qur’an 112:1)
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That is my belief as a Muslim, and it isn't our topic but to clarify to you, that I don't have a personal opinion regarding the bible. Why you aren't say that about Paul! Read posts 1, 5, 6, 7 and 9 Click
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Actually, I think that about more than a month I was working on writing a thread which is talking about some of the prophecies of the bible, but I stopped, because I got too busy lately and the thread is correlated and interrelated and that's need a concentration while writing it while I am busy and doing things in a hurry, I even didn't read the newspapers for more than two weeks, so I think that I will comment on Ezekiel there maybe. When I will write a comment on it I will let you know, OK dear brother
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Peace
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Yours Sincerely,
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Cat Stevens
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Dear campbell34​

Because you are a believer in God and Jesus peace be upon him that means that you mean a lot to me, so really although I am busy but I will try at least to comment on your former comment on the prophecies, OK I still didn't read the chapters that you mentioned.​

Firstly is this a prophecy which still didn't fulfill yet, if so, then ''returning the Jews to the land of Israel in the last days! Do you mean last days of this word, they will be out of Israel someday in the future? isn't Israel Palestine now, so my question is, Will they be out of Israel someday in the future, then they will return to Israel and retake Jerusalem [Al-Qods] did any part of this prophecy happen?, I mean they were out of Israel previously and now the returned and this part of the prophecy happened and there are other parts still to be fulfilled like retake Al-Quds? If so when did Jewish were out of Israel and then returned? ​

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As I said to you, Muslims' belief in the bible is it is corrupted and I gave you 2 examples formerly, Allah knows best whether is this prophecy is intact and it is corrupted or some of its verses has been deleted or changed or there is some additions but you want my view , here is my view,
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After this event the Jews will look upon the one they pierced / and the Jews will ask Him where did He received the wounds in His hands. è You are talking about 12.10+ 13.6 right, OK
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Dear brother let me quote these verses which you are talking about from KJV
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12:10: And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, I think that you think that the (pierced) here is Jesus, let see if it is Jesus or not, 12:10And I will pour upon the house of David, I è refers to God, God is the speaker here isn't it, if you think that Jesus is God then Jesus is the speaker here! But firstly you should prove that he is God but let's ignore this issue temporarily , let's assume that the speaker is GOD = Jesus OK, you think that 13.6: And one shall say untohim, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.Him+ Heè refer to Jesus the God as you think right,
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1- now Jesus the God is the speaker of this prophecy KJV 12:1: The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD , so let's read what God is saying further more 13: 3: And it shall come to pass in that day, that theprophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:4: at the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:5: But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.6: And one shall say untohim, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
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So, God said: 13: 3: And it shall come to pass in that day, that theprophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision God is talking about prophets which aren't GODS! 6: And one shall say untohim, What are these wounds in thine hands? Him refers to whom? To one of those prophets if so, then this verse isn't related with verse 12:10 because (Jesus the God) is talking about prophets which aren't Gods because he said: one shall say unto him- why did he say him? He is separating himself from that one who has wounds in its hands! When you are saying him that means you are talking about someone else or you will say instead: one shall say unto me! not him
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Conclusion: verse 12.10 doesn't relate to verse 13.6,
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2- KJV 12:10: And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced
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Pierced here must be metaphorè they profaned His name where ever they went, because Jesus wasn't crucified and maybe I will write a thread regarding this someday, let's assume that Jesus was crucified , did the bible mentioned that Jesus was crucified by nails in his hands, I don't know what I know that he was crucified with two others who weren't crucified with nails according to the movie (the passions of the Christ) so, if there is no verse saying that he was crucified with nails then he doesn't have a hole in his both hands and that means the pierced is a metaphor which is talking about God but not Jesus, , when your friend or your friend's wife betrayed him, he can say: you pierced my heart! As a metaphor they profaned His name where ever they like they pierced God If you will return to the Longman dictionary you will read: Pierce, v. if sound, light, pain etc pierces something you can suddenly hear it, see it, or feel it: the sun finally pierced the haze and the day was beautiful. Crucify means according to Longman Dictionary: crucifixion, n. the act of killing someone by fastening them to a cross and leaving them to die, crucify, v. to kill someone by fastening them to a cross , it doesn't should be nailed with nails, but fastened with ropes as the two who were with Jesus according to the Movie. But if we will assumed that he was crucified with nails according to John 20.25: … unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side etc, I think this is mentioned only in John? And it seems that he added probably to fit 12.10 which is actually a metaphor, because all what was written about his arrest and crucifixion event didn't include the nails' matter!! nothing has been mentioned regarding this!! while it is something notable and worthy mentioning? he ate a fish (Could he ate with these holes in his hand? I know your answer) ok let's ignore this.
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3-Regarding verse KJV 13.6: And one shall say unto him, what are these wounds in thine hands? Other versions translated wounds and hands to something else?
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A- (NIV) If someone asks him, 'What are these wounds on your body? Click;
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B- (NLT) 6And if someone asks, `Then what are those scars on your chest?' Click;
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C-(ESV) 'What are these wounds on your back?'
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Unfortunately, bible has been corrupted they didn't respect the word of God. That is my view.
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God states that in the latter days His people the Jews that have been scattered throught out the nations of the world will return to the land of Israel. Some call Israel Palestine, but God calls Israel, Israel. God states He is not doing this for the Jews, because they profaned His name where ever they wandered. No, God states He is doing this to reveal to the Jews and the world who He is. It appears from the nations mentioned in the Bible, that a number of those attacking nations, will be Islamic, and they will join with a great northern nation and will try to drive the Jews from the land. It appears this is Gods plan. God actually wants the Islamic nations to attack Israel, but He wants them to come in mass numbers. The Bible states that when they come they will appear as a cloud to cover the land. This event will not take place until the Jews are at peace with her neighbors. It is after peace comes to Israel that the war will start. The Bible states that five sixths of the invading army will be destroyed by God. If the God of the Bible is going to destroy an Islamic army, and if God has little reguard for the Jews other than preserving His name, I would say both the Islamic nations, and the Jews have done something wrong. The Bible states that there will be so many dead from this invading army, that it will take the Jews seven months to bury them. I don't believe the Bible has any errors in it, I believe the reason so many Islamic men are going to die on the mountains of Israel, is because they have not taken the Bible seriously. This is a future prophecy, about a future battle that will be fought, and if anyone thinks the Jews are going to leaving Israel anytime soon, they would be mistaken. After this battle the Bible indicates that America, better known in Scripture as Babylon, will be destroyed by northern nations. America, and all of her cities will burn, and Americas end will come in one hours time. As bad as this all sounds, the horror for the world, will be just beginning.

 

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Which verse exactly? Please give me the number of the verse, that a number of those attacking nations will be Islamic.
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What do you mean exactly by errors? I.e. if you don't consider the contradictive verses as errors, so what do you mean by errors exactly?
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Dear, I can't take it seriously or rather completely, but I should believe in it as I told you formerly about Muslims' belief in the bible, God stated that the Bible has been corrupted and this is right there are many errors [contractions] and degrading versesè (I am sorry to use this adjective but this is what I found in the bible ) which never could be true, are you with me that there should be only one truth, either Muslims' belief is right or Christians' Belief regarding God?. If your religion is true and is the religion of the true God I don't mind to embrace it but you should give me proofs which I couldn't find it.
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Who do you think that the northern nations would be, name the countries, please.
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Perhaps the Islamic God has stated the Bible has errors, but the Bible has never stated this, and what appears as counterdictions in my experience, has always been understood to be human misunderstandings.

The names of the nations that will invade Israel will be found in Ezekiel 38:2,5, and 6. To determine the identity of the nation Magog, you must recognize that God refers to lands, or countries by the names of Noah's ancestors as set forth in "The Table of Nations" (Genesis, chapter 10). The names of the countries in Ezekiel's prophesy are the names of Noah's sons and grandsons who settled in the areas now occupied by the modern nations of Eastern Europe, the Muslim republics of the C.I.S., Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Libya, Sudan and Ethiopia. To identify which modern day countries Ezekiel was referring to, you need to locate where, on today's map, where these ancient people settled. Magog was the son of Japeth, a grandson of Noah, who settled in the vast area north of the Caucasus mountains. His descendants were the progenerators of the Russian peoples, who later became known as the Scythians.

I believe this prophecy will take place in the future, perhaps 28 years from now. The reason I have such confidence in the Bible, is because of it's ability to speak of the future, before the future happens, and often in great detail. Almost no one know's of this story, or at the very least, few have spent time considering it.

 

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He can preserve it, he can do everything, maybe there was a wisdom to don't do so, Allah is wise and sage, maybe one of his wisdoms is to show human how they are wrong , thankless, disrespectful towards him, he who had sent to them prophets with miracles and proofs of his existence, he who had saved them from Pharaoh, he who provides them etc while they instead of thanking him, they change and add and delete his word, he wants them to know that he is the All-Knower, he knows what they proclaim and conceal, so, he had chosen Muhammad as the last (end) of the prophets, Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) was raised illiterate, unable to read or write, and remained like that till his death. Among all his people, he was known as being truthful and trustworthy. Before receiving revelation, he had no prior knowledge of Religion or any previously sent Message. He remained like that till the Revelation came to him with the Quraan. This Quraan mentioned most of the accounts found in the previous scriptures, telling us about these events in the greatest detail as if he witnessed them. These accounts came precisely as they were found in the Torah sent down to Moses and in the Gospel sent down to Jesus. Neither the Jews or Christians were able to belie him regarding anything that he said Allah stated: '' Neither did you (O Muhammad) read any book before it (this Quraan), nor did you write any book (whatsoever) with your right hand. In that case, indeed the followers of falsehood might have doubted'' This is one of the proofs that the Quraan is from God Because although the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was illiterate in both (reading & writing), he brought the Quraan which is one his miracles, and maybe God wanted to show the people that he is the All-knower of the unseen and seen, i.e. what they conceal, he can see them wherever they are, so he knows that they changed his word, so he chose Muhammad the illiterate who exposed the truth and the change of God's word'' In that case, indeed the followers of falsehood might have doubted'' that if Muhammad (PBUH) was reading or writing then the disbelievers will be in doubt and they will say '' perhaps Muhammad learned that or read it in some where! But they didn't say that because they know that Muhammad was orphan (both father &mother), Poor and illiterate in both (reading & writing) and he was living between them. Consequently, how did Muhammad (PBUH) know what was written in the Gospel & Torah?? How did he know the stories about the previous messengers of God which has written in the Gospel & Torah??!! Surely, Allah has told him. Allah stated:​

'' And messengers I have mentioned to you before, and messengers I have not mentioned to you… '' [4.164]​

Whenever me and you want to judge on something as true or false or fake , it is better to us to search , ask and seek the truth firstly, Quraan: O you who believe! If a Fasiq (liar-evil person) comes to you with ant news, verify it, lest you should harm people ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful for what you have done.​

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Genesis 6: 6:And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Exodus 32.14: And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. 1 Samuel 15. 35: And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death: nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul: and the LORD repented that he had made Saul king over Israel.​

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Numbers 23.19: God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? Or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?​

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2 Samuel 8. 4: And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven hundred horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: and David houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them for an hundred chariots.​

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And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven thousand horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: David also houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them an hundred chariots.​

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2 Kings 8:26:Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the daughter of Omri king of Israel.​

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Forty and twoyears old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.​

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And commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their purse:​

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And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece.​

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One came and said unto him,Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he (Jesus) said unto him,Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.​

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Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do toget eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.”​

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Genesis 19: 30-36:And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters. And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth: Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.​

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2 Samuel 6.20: Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself!​

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2 Samuel 11: 3-5: And David sent and inquired after the woman. And one said, Is not this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite? And David sent messengers, and took her; and she came in unto him, and he lay with her; for she was purified from her uncleanness: and she returned unto her house.And the woman conceived, and sent and told David, and said, I am with child. How could David be accepted in the genelogy of Jesus when it started with a person who committed adultery? Deuteronomy 23.2: A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.​

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Do you think that God had sent the wrong people for guidance?​

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We Muslims have such prophecies too; however I think there are common prophecies, like Jesus' return and retaking Al-Quds (Jerusalem) and the return of justice in the world.
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Peace and love
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I believe in the short run you are correct. The Bible we have to day is not perfect, and counterdictions will be found. Yet I believe the original text was with out them. The example of how many horsemen did David capture in 2 Samuel 8:4 and 1 Chronicles 18:4 is a good example. In 2 Samuel 8:4 David took 1,700, in 1 Chronicles 18:4 David took 7,000.

This is most probably a copyist error or a copy of a manuscript where the number was altered through decay. 1 Chron. 18:4 is probably the correct number since it is a better preserved manuscript.
"Pobably an earlier copyist inadvertently omitted the word "chariot' that we find supplied in some translations. This in turn created a problem for a later copyist who would have recognized that it was not proper Hebrew structure to write "one thousand seven thousand'' horsemen,'' so he would have reduced the second ''thousand'' to ''hundred'' resulting in the reading we now have in second Samuel 8:4.''
These are the kinds of counterdictions that we find in the later additions of the Bible. Yet these type of counterdictions can be understood and explained.
And they have not given me enought motivation, to abandon the Scriptures.

Like the Bible the Qur'an has contradictions as well, yet these appear more of substance than copyist error.

Example, What was man created from, blood, clay, dust, or nothing.

A. ''Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood,'' (96:2).

B. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).

C. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as the of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: 'Be". And he was," (3:59).

D. "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?'' (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).

E. ''He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).

 

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And that is the Islamic belief too ; the original text was with out them.​

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2 Samuel 8. 4: And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven hundred horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: and David houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them for an hundred chariots.​

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1 Chronicles 18: 4: And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven thousand horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: David also houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them an hundred chariots.​

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It isn't written 1.700 in 2 Samuel 8:4? Perhaps it is a typo from you , it is 700 , however, I think it is better to go to the oldest Hebrew manuscript to check whether they were writing the numbers as figures or words (i.e. figure: 7000, word: seven thousand ) if it wasn't figure then it could be probably deliberate corruption. You get it.​

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1. ''Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood,'' (96:2).​

2. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).

3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as the of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: 'Be". And he was," (3:59).
4. "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?'' (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
5. ''He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).

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7:Who made everything He has created good and Hebeganthe creation of man ofclay. 8:ThenHe made hisoffspringfromsemen of despised water (male and female sexual discharge).9:Then He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him the soul (created by Allah for that person)…​

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So, in number1&2Allah is talking about the creation of the human being which had existed or had created from (male and female sexual discharge) like us, me and you. Open this link. http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1-a.htm ​

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In number3&4Allah is talking about the first creation for the first human being Adam. And why some times he stated:from sounding clay, from mud moulded , from dust(dust = soil) , I think you know that there are many kind of soil (pedology) there are sandy soil, clay (water+soil or dust or sand)… etc. when you want to shape something by dust so you will use water which will become clay. When Allah stated:"The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam,he means that he created Adam and Jesus without a father.He created him fromdusthim: reveres to Adam.​

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(19: 67,)Adam the father of the humanity wasn't existed before Allah created him and Allah created him from Dust , the dust wasn't existed before Allah created it, so Allah can create anything from nothing. Because from nothing he can create anything. Can we make a chair without wood? No.​

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66:And man (the disbeliever) says: When I am dead, shall I then be raised up alive?67:Does not man remember that we created him before, while he was nothing?​

Allah is talking to those who don't believe that they will be raised up alive? So Allah saying if he (Allah) had canned create them from nothing so is it more difficult to raise up him alive ? What is more difficult to you to create a computer (the first computer) or to put it together (you already had the computer's part)?​

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35:Or were they created by nothing? Or were they themselves the creators?​

Were they created by nothing: No one had created them? No God? Allah is asking?​

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However, this isn't our topic, you started taking off the topic from post # 16 while our topic is about (Is God 1 or 3? [Or] Is Jesus God or part of God? [Let the Gospel answer]) I tried indirectly several times to make you return to the main topic by giving you more examples regarding the topic after commenting on your posts which doesn't relate to the topic, but you are insisting to ignore them and keeping taking off the topic?!!! To the extant that I felt you aren't reading most my responses? Would we just return to the topic which I think it is more important, I don't mind to discuss with you anything you want out the topic but not here we can use private massages forexample.​

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One came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he (Jesus) said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.​

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Dear Mr. Stevens

Forgive me if I don't always reply to all your questions, as I have stated on other posts, I am a working man and time is not always on my side. You asked a question why did Jesus question His own Goodness. I don't believe He did. I believe Christ was asking a leading question, which had an obvious answer.
You also stated that Jesus said there is only one God, and only He is good.
I believe that as well, however, I believe that God exist as three persons, but one God. An example of this can be found in the main building block of the universe. The Atom. The Atom is made up of a Protron, a Nutron, and the Eletron. Even thought these have three elements, and have three seperate funtions, they together equal one Atom. I believe God constructed the basic building block of the universe after Himself.

Long before the Quran came into existance, the Bible gave a warning. This warning will be found in Second Timothe 4:4 and it states. For the time will come when they will not listen to the sound doctrine, but, having itching ears, will heap up for themselves teachers after their own lust: and will turn away their ears from the truth, and turn aside to fables. I believe the reason why people, yourself included, question who Jesus really was, is simply because you have not endured the sound doctrine. You have allowed yourself to believe what another man said of the Bible. Another man said it was not fully true and you believed him. And you have ignored the warning given before hand in second Timothy. If Jesus was just another man of God, then why through out the New Testament in many areas do we have people from all walks of life Worshipping Him throught out His life. Simple men of God are not worshipped. For worship is reserved for God only. And in all the times that are recorded, not once do we ever see Christ rebuking the people for doing this. For someone just reading the Bible, there is no problem understanding who Christ is. The Bible warned ahead of time that men would turn from it's truth, as a Christian I believe this is what has happened, and that is why so many struggle over the Scriptures. If someone gives you a false set of facts, and then you have to try and read the Bible in the paramaters of those facts, your understanding of Biblical truth will always be a struggle. If on the other hand, you accept the Bible as it is written, it's understanding will not become a burden.

 

The aincent Celtics had no trouble with a tri-patre god, Irish 3-knot designs pre-date christianity,

The Celtic god, Lug is portrayed on a 3 faced head in a statue. The statue is from Celtic Britian. The village of Lugdonium ( London ) is named for this diety.

Folklore shows St. Patrick with his shamrock ( three leaf clover ) preaching the trinity to the Celts, in truth, they were confortable with the concept.

 

I would like to point out one more thing. The early Christian ministers, as far back as the 1600s and 1800s believed the Bible to be fully the Word of God. It was because they believed this, that with confidence wrote books explaining how before the coming of Christ, the Jews would first have to return to Israel, retake Jerusalem, and they would be surrounded by enemies. The Bible is telling you exactly what is going to happen at the time of the end. The Jews are not back in Israel by accident. God is allowing them to return, because God is getting ready to reveal to this world, who He is. If you consider the prophecies of Ezekiel, you will understand two things. One, God is more concerned about His Holy name, than the Jews who profained it. And two, God has brought the Jews back so the other nations will attack them, and most of the nations that will attack them, are Islamic. If the Islamic nations are following the true God, why is the God of the Bible going to slaughter them? And not only them, for at the same time, God is going to split America into three sections, and in one hours time America will be burned from the face of the earth. You got to start asking yourself some serious questions. The whole story of our future is in the Bible. This war that is coming will happen because the Islamic people have not taken the Bible at it's Word. God has set the Jews in their backyard as a trap. When the smoke clears, the only one's left intact, will be Jews. Do you understand what I am saying? If the Islamic God, is the same God of the Bible, then why is your God going to destroy five sixths of the invading Islamic Army? And why would an Islamic God protect Jews, in order to demonstrate to the World who He is? This battle will be like it was when God defended the Jews from Pharoah's advancing armies. Only now, it happens in the 21 first century.

 

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There is no something like this (forgive me) between brothers dude =), I have never been angry at you at all, I think you mean that you stated that you are busy in posts which are outside this thread so I didn't know, it is OK man. Let us forget it. But I don't mind you reply on my posts even after a month, just take your time when you are reading my posts, don't read them in a hurry, I will always wait your responses.
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Can you clarify it more, how he was asking a leading question, which had an obvious answer? Can you rewrite his question in another way?
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One came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he (Jesus) said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God. But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
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Jesus emphatically stated that “there is none good but one, that is, God” Why did he refer to the one God as the “good” one only and Why did he exclude himself from being good, if he were God?
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I will try to make it easy, imagine that I am a Father in a Church and I believe that Jesus is God and the creator, a Christian man entered the church and came to me and said: Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? Then I replied: why do you call me good? There is none good but one, that is Jesus the God, if I were God then call me good Master, but I am not.
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2- God the son (Jesus the Christ, peace be upon him)
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A-Is God [1 in 3] or [3 in 1]?
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C-Where can I find that the Holy Spirit is God too in the Gospels and OT? [Please, don't mention John 5.7-8, I already commented on it]
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But I can't call any of these three elements Atom! And they are three in ONE, so your belief is God is 3 in 1, accordingly,
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1- When did Jesus say I am the God the creator or the Holy Spirit? [Please, don't mention the verses which I commented on them]
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2-Why he didn't say it clearly (that he is God) if there is no clear verse like : I am Jesus the God and the Holy Spirit is God too?
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3- If Jesus is God, why did he pray to God, why was he praying? Was he praying to himself?
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Matthew 26: 36: … sit here while I go over there and pray.
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Mark 12: 29: And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lordour God is one Lord, he said our God which means his God too?! How a God has a God too?
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Some of the Christians don't follow some of Jesus' and Moses' teachings because they follow Paul, for examples, open the following links 9 (or don't open them because I will post it as a comment on the following quote) and read posts # 39 & 40 click here please plus click here after reading the former link, please read them, I already posted them formerly but I don't know if you read them or not. Or do you want me to Quote it here for you?
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I don't mind to worship Jesus if he was truly God; I will worship him with my all pleasure,
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Quraan: "Say: "If (Allah) Most Gracious had a son, I would be the first to worship."
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The former prophets and messengers like, Elisha, Abraham, Moses, Aaron, Noah, Lot, Job, Enoch, Isaac, Jacob…etc, none of them gave such concept of God!
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*(Isaiah 43: 10-12) Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
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Why God had never mentioned the Holy Spirit as God too in OT or NT? While you can find the Holy Spirit is mentioned in the OT!
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Matthew 15.7-9: You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you 8: These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9: But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
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John 8, 42:
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… I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43: why is my language not clear to you?
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John 5, 37: And the father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form, nor does his word dwell in you, for you don't believe the one he sent.
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John 5, 41: I don't accept praise from menè (why he is God?). But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you. I have come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receiveè (Jesus isn't the name of God)
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Matthew 21.43: Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
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YoursSincerely,
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CatStevens​