Is Elton John a gay?

hahaa there is a huge difference between a child picking his nose and a child who likes other children of the same sex.

 

Summary: so do I.

 

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Originally Posted by Kabbalist ​

You should try to live the Mormon way, they use electronics to punish people for being gay!​

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electronics to punish people for being gay! Oh my God!!​

I am absolutely against that , gays are human being , they shouldn't deal with them in that way ! Oh my God ! I am really shocked , my eyes are watery​

Oh my God , It is really the first time I heard that , but I hope no one has punished that way , Yes , gays are human being ​

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Originally Posted by Kabbalist ​

Totally absurd, it really shocked me when I realised that people always want to take G'ds place to judge other people. They are the ones who need to be punished at 'judgement day' and I strongly believe they will be!​

First of all , I am so so so happy really to read this ( reply post ) from you ,​

Because that means you believe in God and in the judgment day as it seems to me​

From all my heart : O GOD bless this person​

No brother , I am not taking God place to judge other people ( who I am to take his place?? )​

I am doing what I have to do , what is ordered to me to do from my religion , and I did it, and that's all​

My thread was about 4 questions about Elton, but somehow it turns to what it is now! Members want the thread to go on not me​

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Originally Posted by catstevens​

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I have my opinion about gays and others have their, keep yours opinion and I will keep mine , I didn't obligate anybody to anything , I said my opinion and that's all . ​

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Originally Posted by Kabbalist:​

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Originally Posted by catstevens​

No more comments it is OVER OK
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The End of the thread
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Originally Posted by Kabbalist​

That's not up to you. First you tell us all to shut and …..​

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No poor, it's definitely totally completely up to me , it's my thread and I got what I was looking for , I don't want to know more, …….​

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Originally Posted by catstevens:​

No more comments it is OVER OK
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The End of the thread
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Originally Posted by hailtothekingbaby​

Ha ha ha.
No.​

Originally Posted by catstevens:​

OK, I am actually becoming faster in typing post after post J​

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Yours sincerely, ​

Cat stevens​

 

By the way , thank you for every one who posted polite replys , comments …etc
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Yours sincerely, ​

Cat stevens​

 

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Originally Posted by madcrappie :​

hahaa there is a huge difference between a child picking his nose and a child who likes other children of the same sex.​

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No , there is no different , you didn't get the point​

The point is :​

Any unnatural , wrong behavior appeared on the child should be stopped by guiding them step by step to the right natural acceptable behavior ( of course in some cases they have to see the psychologist , psychoanalyst and the doctor for some checks )​

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And as I read too , that the females gays for example , who behave and feel as males …etc, doctors said that they have got defectiveness in their hormones , it is the same too for males gays, and doctors can treat these cases .​

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As I said previously, ​

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Originally Posted by catstevens:​

''Most homo-sexuals who go to treatment , they in fact don't want to be normal or to recover as a psychologist & psychoanalyst said ?! there is not a real desire in them to change?? ''​

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That's what the Most homo-sexuals reported for the psychologist & psychoanalyst, some body pushed them to treatment , they used to live as gays , and they like to live that way ,​

that's why we should help them from the beginning when they are child and the whole responsibility is on their parents and I don't mean we have to stop helping those who are homo-sexuals from long time ago , no​

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So, a smoker:I used to smoke , I can't stop that, I know what does smoking cause, but I like it and I used to ( the same to gays , search for the diseases which resulted from gays relationships , if it was normal to be gay ( or the relationships between them) , then it must not cause all these disease ) females to males and males to females.​

 

Note: Before you post a reply , would you read my replys first , because perhaps you will find the answer to your question is already existed , so I don't have to repeat or quote them again ( thank you beforehand for your co-operation )​

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Yours sincerely,​

Cat stevens​

 

Is the pope a Catholic ? He`s been waiting for gay marriages to be legal in England !

 

Why is it a disaster? If your god really loves humans he wouldn't mind. ​

Think of the diseases caused by drinking polluted water... drinking water is normal (I do hope you agree), and has caused a great deal of different epidemics throughout history.

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Well... no, because he wouldn't be interested in them anyway, right?

Now you're talking solely about transsexuality, which is something completely different... not all transsexuals are gay, and those that are gay, what possible threat can they pose towards people of the gender they want to be but are not?

I can say with full confidence that I am happy.

If God makes people gay as a test, why do you want to disturb their test results? It's god's business, not yours!

If they're unhappy (like you said all gays are), they'd want to change. If they don't want to change, they most probably would be happy, right?
In fact if they want to change or not, they / we CAN NOT CHANGE. Are we phrasing it so difficultly?

[/quote]As I heard being a homo-sexual is prohibited ( in heavenly religions ) like: Islam & Christianity [/quote]​

Islam and Christianity suck (maybe not the right word in this conversation...), and every burning church or mosque is a victory of humanity in my eyes. Still I would not be the one holding the torch (unless very drunk ) because I believe in the right for EVERYBODY to be as they are, no matter if that's religiously, culturally, sexually or ethnically.

Yes, because in contrast to god, your job actually exists.

 

Quote: Originally posted by freya ​

Is the pope a Catholic ? He`s been waiting for gay marriages to be legal in England !​

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Which pope exactly you mean?​

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Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

Quote: Originally posted by hail to the king baby ​

Why is it a disaster? If your god really loves humans he wouldn't mind.​

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Brother hail to the king baby , ​

Let me tell you something, please brother, try to read it by your mind and heart not by your eyes.​

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God's rulings issued from his: knowing, wisdom and fairness, not vainly, not futility and not play and in the Qura'n he stated:​

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''He allows them as lawful At-Tayyibat (i.e. all good and lawful as regards things , deeds , beliefs , persons ,foods),and prohibits them as unlawful Al-Khab'ith (i.e. all evil and unlawful as regards things , deeds , beliefs , persons , foods)…..''​

Chapter: 7, Verse: 157​

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So, briefly, all good things are allowed, all evil bad things are prohibited. and allowance (allowing) is only God's right (who invented the computer knows best what disable the computer and what doesn't, because he invented it. when he says to you: be sure that sun's ray don't reach the computer otherwise it will disable the computer, or when he says to you: the computer is not waterproof, so, you will take account of his instructions), and of course the computer inventor has the right to give the instructions (do &don not) because he knows what he is saying. ​

So, God created you and he knows best what avail us and what harm us, he wants your advantage, and looks how we return his favor?? We are thanklessness , ( if somebody tell you : brother ! don't eat from that restaurant , their viands are not edibles , you thank him and thinking of a way to return his favor to you , he saved your health) , so , when he prohibited ex. Fornication ,be sure that he prohibited that for a reason , and we don't need the scientists to prove if fornication is noxious , because we trust in God and beyond his allowing and prohibition a reason (wisdom) , and it emerged that fornication is noxious ex. It causes Aids and other things. Consequently, God knows best what avail us and what harm us, he stated:​

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'' Should not he who has created know? And he is the Most Kind and Courteous, the Well-Acquainted (with everything)''​

Chapter: 67, verse: 14​

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God told us the prohibited things so we will know it and then we will avoid it.​

Besides to that, we have to know that beyond prohibitions some other (wisdoms) ; he wants to test us , so that he may see us how we act ?​

A test from the God to us to know how you will deal with it? will us obey him or not? (Pay attention to whom you are disobeying! The Greatest ever).​

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One of the reasons that made the dwellers of Paradise privileged from the dwellers of the fire (Abaddon ,hell), that they were patient on undesirable orders to them which were ordered from God and without that test from God , then not emerge the obedient from the disobedient. God stated:​

'' Do people think that they will be left alone because they say: ''We believe,'' and will not be tested? – And we indeed tested those who were before them. And Allah will certainly make (it) known (the truth of) those who are true, and will certainly make (it) known (the falsehood of) those who are liars, (although Allah knows all that before putting them to test). ''​

Chapter: 28, verses: 2&3​

 

The believers are patient to the difficult of God's orders to: (1) get the rewards , requitals and recompenses from God and (2) to obey his orders so then he will be satisfied with them ( obedience God's orders = obedience God ).​

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Let me tell you something,​

The computer inventor, he invented the computer so that the computer will do what is ordered to him from the inventor, the inventor clicks on a folder twice and that mean in computer language (open the folder), so it will open it. If your computer doesn't respond to your orders , tell me honestly what will you do? He is not just not responding , he is doing other things that you didn't asked it to do it? Not just that, it is destroying, removing , deleting your precious stuffs?? honestly what will you do? ​

Myself , I will kill him by removing the plug that the computer is connected to it.​

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Consequently, look brother to your God, he is the most forbearing, Oft-Forgiving, clement, Most merciful, he is the one who accept repentance and the most gracious, he is patient to his creatures , may they will change someday and obey him , he is giving them long time and several chances, although they don't obey him and don't careL ​

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If gays said: we want to be normal people , but they never try any kind of attempts, then God will not help them . God stated:​

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'' … Verily, Allah will not change the condition of a people as long as they do not change their state themselves…''​

Chapter: 13, verse: 11​

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'' As for those who strive hard in us (our cause), we will surly guide them to our path. And verily, Allah is with the good doers''​

Chapter: 29, verse: 69​

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Jewellee is one of whom converted to Islam has said:​

Following Gods direction (awkward to call it law because it's much more than that)

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Virtually, the religion of God is the religion of life. When you want to have an adventure let say in a forest , you will take a compass , map and a booklet to warn you from things and to guide you to what you have to do if you have an accidents, get injured, …etc . And that is the religion of God , it is a compass , map and a guide-book to the happy , safe , salubrious and assured life. ​

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And as I said previously: Look to the life , we can't live this life without rules , each country over the world has its own rules ( constitution ) and without it the world would miss , I think there wouldn't be a life ? every body will kill the other (revenge or whatever) , stealing ,nothing will stop them , now there is rules and the crimes are in high levels , what will happen then without rules , Oh my God ( MERCY ) ,So , creatures need rules too from who knows them very well ( of course God the creator)​

Allah stated :​

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'' should not he who has created know? And he is the Most Kind and Courteous, the Well-Acquainted ''​

'' should he not know what he created?''​

Chapter:67, verse:14​

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hail to the king baby​

Re: Why is it a disaster? If your god really loves humans he wouldn't mind.​

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Please read my comment on this more than once. It was long I know and because of that I want you to read it more than once, try to write the headlines for my long comment (please do it) and then in my long comment you will find the answer why he mind that. And if you want me to write it or write a summary for my long comment just tell me, I will write it down with my deepest pleasure.​

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I'll be back​

Yours Sincerely,​

Cat Stevens​

 

Quote: Originally posted by hail to the king baby ​

RE: drinking water is normal (I do hope you agree), ​

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I deeply agree​

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Quote: Originally posted by hail to the king baby ​

Re: Think of the diseases caused by drinking polluted water... drinking water is normal (I do hope you agree), and has caused a great deal of different epidemics throughout history.​

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How wonderful!​

Wonder of wonders!!​

How astonishing!!!​

How strange!!!!​

How odd!!!!!​

Thank you God , thank you deeply, thank you an everlasting thanking​

hail to the king baby​

Congratulation brother, your pure soul , pure heart and mind has answered and wrote that, you must wrote it subconsciously, because your real soul did it, your real jailed soul just snatched the chance and it succeeded, your real identity (male) want to appear , in fact you are not a gay , you are a real male. (If you are a womanish as I concluded from your signature)​

What your real soul tried to say is: ​

Drinking water is normal, but drinking polluted water has caused a great deal of different epidemics throughout history.​

I.E.​

Making warm deep relationships & having sex between ( male and female) is normal​

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Making warm deep relationships & having sex between ( same genders) ​

has caused a great deal of different epidemics throughout history.​

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Do you remember the negative and positive magnetic poles? You must have seen it when you were at the primary school or at the kindergarten. How can we make two magnetic poles corporate (united), i.e. how can we make an (affinity - gravitation) between two magnetic poles?​

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(- = +) i.e. by using negative and positive magnetic poles ​

( =: gravitation ) /+: positive magnetic pole /-: positive magnetic pole​

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Consequently, male should not unit with a male because a repulsion will appear ( in a danger deadly disease form )​

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*The consequence of AIDS is enough to prove that homosexuality is evil and dangerous to society. The early spread of AIDS was concentrated among the homosexual community. It later spread to the heterosexual community through blood transfusions and intravenous drug usage and so-called bisexuals. And continues on a rampage among promiscuous heterosexuals.​

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hail to the king baby​

Free your real jailed soul, stop fooling your self , you are a normal human being.​

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Here is another special gifting to you:​

I don't know if you heard about ( father and son ) , it is a name of a song for Cat stevens ,​

One of my best and favorite songs ever , I have changed most of the words of the lyric: I will call this song ( Stevens & king baby ):​

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Stevens:
It's the time to make a change,
Just relax, take it easy.
You're still young, that's a luck,
No more years to leave it lose.
Find a girl, settle down,
If you want you can marry.
Look at me, I am loner, but I'm happy.
Many were once like you are now, and I know that it's not easy,
To make a change, when you've found, nice memories passing through.
But take your time, think a lot,
think of everything you will get it.
If you still want to change, but your desires may not.
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king baby:
How can I try to explain, when I do my desire turns away.
It's always been the same, same old story.
From the moment I want to change my friends damp me to do it.
Now there's a way and I know that I have to go away.
I know ,away from them.
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Stevens:
It's the time to make a change,
Just sit down, take it slowly.
You're still young, thank your God,
There's so much you have to go through.
Find a girl, settle down,
if you want you can marry.
Look at me, I am alone, but I'm happy.
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king baby:

All the times that I tried, keeping all the things I used to inside,
It's hard, but it's harder to ignore it.
If they were right, I'd agree, but it's them you know not me.
Now there's a way and I know that I have to go away.
Away from the past life
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Make a farewell party for the sexual deviation (do not hesitate)
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Leave all phantasm and conceits, you aren't gay
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YOU ARE A NORMAL YOUNG GUY
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YOU ARE GUY NOT GAY
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My deepest congratulations
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Quote: Originally posted by hail to the king baby ​

Re: Well... no, because he wouldn't be interested in them anyway, right?​

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1) Perhaps and suddenly he will change when he will see a beautiful woman there by chance, and his native (true) feelings will move.​

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2) Women feel free in women's toilet because all who get into there are women, so, they may stop doing things that relate to women if they find out that a gay is using the toilet too. So they will not feel comfortable.​

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3) Many of women will not use the toilet if they will find out that a​

gay is using the toilet too.​

Don't tell me that you don't interested in women??( the beautiful ones)​

Or your feelings don’t move when see them….etc.​

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RE:Now you're talking solely about transsexuality, which is something completely different... not all transsexuals are gay, and those that are gay​

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Ok, may you tell me the different, please. And before your answer here is my comment which may be I am wrong in it, so I am waiting your answer:​

Before the transfer what were they? Female transfer to a male ? so , she was a gay then?? When she was female she was trend to females? Isn't that odd? Weird?​

 

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RE:what possible threat can they pose towards people of the gender they want to be but are not?​

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My answer is the same for the previous 3 comments and besides to that, A married woman, after years found out that her husband is actually female, if she knew that from the beginning she wouldn't marry him (her in fact)…..etc. even if they are transferred or not , people will be careful and wary of them. They will remain what they really are in most people opinion whatever they did. ​

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RE: I can say with full confidence that I am happy.​

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We will see if that happiness will remain in the future. And the real future is the hereafter and definitely you will not be happy there if you will keep on being gay. By the way, at the hereafter there is no death , there is an everlasting life. Consequently an everlasting happiness or an everlasting regret, sadness and torment. This life the present life is a temporary( if you want me to talk about how the hereafter is the real future just tell me , I will talk about it with my deepest pleasure) ​

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RE: If God makes people gay as a test, why do you want to disturb their test results? It's god's business, not yours!​

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Islam consider homosexuality to be the result of a choice. It is inconceivable ​

that God made people homosexuals then declared it a crime and prescribed punishments for it in both this life and the next. To accept such a proposition is to accept that God is unjust. Inclinations can exist within humans for a variety of natural and unnatural acts, from fornication to rape and from necrophilia to bestiality. These inclinations may come from jinn-suggestions, media influence, or even from human whisperings or direct contact. Human beings are not like robots who only do what they are programmed to do. Humans choose and God holds them responsible for their choices. Were homosexuality a product of genetic destiny, it would be unfair for God to criminalize it and punish those who practice it. Currently, some scientists are even claiming that murder is of genetic origin. To accept that would mean to excuse murders and tolerate. ( Any unnatural , wrong behavior appeared on the child should be stopped by guiding them step by step to the right natural acceptable behavior ( of course in some cases they have to see the psychologist , psychoanalyst and the doctor for some checks )​

And as I read too , that the females gays for example , who behave and feel as males …etc, doctors said that they have got defectiveness in their hormones , it is the same too for males gays, and doctors can treat these cases, so here comes the test now from the God , will you treat your self or keep on being gay?​

The results of the test will be judged from the God at the judgment day that is true, but if you see a person is failing in his test in front of your eyes , you should help him and advise him and if you did as much you can then your mission is complete.​

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God Stated:​

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1) '' Therefore remind (men) in case the reminder profits (them) '' ​

Chapter: 87, verse: 9​

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2) '' So remind them , for you are but a remembrancer. You are not a dictator on them '' '' you are not at all a warder over them''​

Chapter: 88, verses: 21&22.​

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3) '' And remind, for verily, the reminding profits the believers.''​

Chapter: 51, verse: 55​

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1) ''… your duty is only to convey (the Message), and on us is the​

reckoning.''​

Chapter: 13, verse: 40​

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2) ''Then, if they turn away, your duty is only to convey (the message), in a clear way''​

Chapter: 16, verse: 82.​

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And as I said several times: I have my opinion about gays and others have their, keep your opinion and I will keep mine , I didn't obligate anybody to anything , I said my opinion and that's all .​

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Quote: Originally posted by hail to the king baby ​

RE: If they don't want to change, they most probably would be happy, right?​

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I read many of their stories which they narrated by themselves. most of them don't want to change , because they used to live that way, they are in ( baffle , tension) which make them unhappy because some times they feel uncomfortable for many reasons ( they cannot live a normal life, having babies , not acceptable from the most people, some of them feel guilty when they remember that it is prohibited in their religion, the confirmed dangerous results from this kind of relationships… ), they used to be gay but sometimes (or most who knows)they aren't happy, they want to change for the past reasons or other but they feel it that it is something difficult.​

So, they want to change and don't want to change in the same time, they are in (baffle, tension). And when I said that they aren't happy, of course I didn't mean all the time.​

And by the way, there are some gays who go to see a psychologist & psychoanalyst not by their desires, but by some one else like Mother, friend, teacher …etc. briefly, by people who care about them , love them truly and want their advantage.​

And as I said previously:​

We have to help even if I am sure I will be treated badly , at least I did something even if I failed , I did as much as I can , look for example to that singer ( on of back street boys band AJ) who sank in drinking and drugs , did you listened what he said to Oprah about that?? He said that (Kevin ) interference was the reason to his change, though AJ in the beginning hated that interference and if I remember good, AJ fought with him or a strong argument happened between them, thanks to God AJ didn't die by drugs and he awaked his self (And for gays: deadly diseases result from gays relationships), try to watch that episode of Oprah's show somehow, many of people say not just AJ (the interference was the reason to their change which they hated it in the beginning and loved it later) I know for sure , people don't change quickly , I know.​

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Quote: Originally posted by hail to the king baby ​

RE: they / we CAN NOT CHANGE​

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Brother, I know very well it's hard to change and leave the life style that you used to live it, ​

#but if you#:
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1) have a strong (resolve, will, desire).​

2) Get away from people who damp you to step a step to change.​

3) Get away from all who comment on you (in negative stuffs ) and who are not positive or optimistic ) or you have to don't care about what they are saying or don't listen to them.​

4) Try to live in another area, an area which make you don't meet your past gay friends or remember your past memories.​

5) Try to find normal people or a person who stopped being gay as friends.​

6) Find a person who you can trust in to go to him whenever you feel that you can't go on ( a positive person ).​

7) Try to see a psychologist & psychoanalyst.​

8) Try to find something else that you can fill your time with it (the time which was special for gays).​

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#You then can change#
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Once I read the ways that used to treat the gays, it is good and genius.​

What means there is a cure and remedy. and as I said previously: I know some gays Who became natural people and honestly I know someone who became a normal (natural) without any helps of a psychologist, just because he/she improved his/her relationship with God.​

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So, If gays said: we want to be normal people, but they never try any kind of attempts, then God will not help them. God stated:​

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'' … Verily, Allah will not change the condition of a people as long as they do not change their state themselves…''​

Chapter: 13, verse: 11​

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'' As for those who strive hard in us (our cause), we will surly guide them to our path. And verily, Allah is with the good doers''​

Chapter: 29, verse: 69​

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And if you want me to be beside you when you will step the first step to radical makeover, be sure I will be there with my deepest pleasure.​

Remember that you are young 19 years old , NO MORE YEARS TO LEAVE IT LOSE , you will be lucky if you will make the change from now because in this case you will save a lot of the rest of your age.​

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RE: Islam and Christianity suck​

RE: burning church or mosque is a victory of humanity in my eyes. ​

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The opposite of white is black, and the opposite of well-being is evil.​

The Satan = evil. ​

Burning church or mosque is a victory of Satanity. * sigh* I am crying now, ……………​

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You now how the world will be if the Satan will rule it. burning church or mosque is a victory of Satanity which will never happen.​

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Allah stated (the all-knower of the unseen , the seen and the future):​

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'' And they all shall appear before Allah (on the Day of Resurrection); then the weak will say to those who were arrogant (chiefs): ''Verily, we were following you; can you avail us anything against Allah's Torment?'' they will say: '' Had Allah guided us, we would have guided you. It makes no difference to us (now) whether we rage, or bear (these torments) with patience; there is no place of refuge for us.''​

'' And Satan will say when the matter has been decided: '' Verily, Allah promised you a promise of truth. And I too promised you, but I betrayed you. I had no authority over you except that I called you, and you responded to me. So blame me not, but blame your selves. I cannot help you, nor can you help me. I deny your former act in associating me (Satan) as a partner with Allah (by obeying me in the life of the world).''​

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Chaptrer: 14, verses: 21 &22.​

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Quote: Originally posted by hail to the king baby ​

RE: Still I would not be the one holding the torch.​

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Ok, don't hold it just follow its lights.​

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Quote: Originally posted by hail to the king baby ​

RE:because I believe in the right for EVERYBODY to be as they are, no matter if that's religiously, culturally, sexually or ethnically.​

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If everyone will do as he like and as his desires , whatever he wants, without anything any rules , I think the answer is clear.
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Quote: Originally posted by Cat Stevens
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Look to the life , we can't live this life without rules , each country over the world has its own rules ( constitution ) and without it the world would miss , I think there wouldn't be a life ? every body will kill the other (revenge or whatever) , stealing ,nothing will stop them , now there is rules and the crimes are in high levels , what will happen then without rules , Oh my God ( MERCY ) ,So , creatures need rules too from who knows them very well ( of course God the creator)
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Allah stated :
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'' should not he who has created know? And he is the Most Kind and Courteous, the Well-Acquainted ''
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'' should he not know what he created?''
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Chapter:67, verse:14
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A person who wants all wellbeing for you in this life and Hereafter,
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Cat Stevens
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We have our own mind as human beings. With this comes freedom of choice and speech as in, the right to say what we want and act as we choose, without judgement or ridicule.


This who don't accept that we can have different points of view, one not more right or wrong than the other are ignorant, arrogant, narrow minded and deluded.

Those who are not religious but who are held to the laws of the bible by followers, is ludicrous and not warranted but this points to the blindness of some people who think they and their beliefs are more superiour. WRONG.

For those of you who do, don't stand behind the bible's skirt and say this is the reason why homosexuality is wrong. Have the guts to believe this because it's your mind.

Homosexuality, Heterosexuality, Transexuality, Bisexuality and everything else that is perceived as "not right" is a rightful choice. Those who don't agree? close you eyes if you must but it's all here and will stay.

Simply? It's our right on this earth, to BE WHO WE ARE

If not, what the hell is the point.