is drunkenness a psychedelic experience?

alcohol is great for strengthening ones denial... i think that is why you are so confused.

i dont believe that there is any safe usage when it comes to alcohol. it makes you stupid no matter how much you drink... if you drink less your just less stupid... but still stupid.

 

maybe you guys should go to www.erowid.org and see what category they put lsd in and what category they put alcohol in! that should settle the argument but i am sure we are not so lucky...lol.

look under EFFECTS CLASSIFICATION

 

Only if you drink the worm too.

 

psychedelics are a certain catagory of hallucinogen, ones like acid, shrooms, mescaline... etc, other hallucinogens like the dissociatives(like DXM, ketamine, PCP) can also induce a psychedelic experience or a state of mind similar to that produced by psychedelic drugs so they are often informally called psychedelics as well. Deliriants are another kind of hallucinogen also sometimes informally called psychedelic, although ive never heard anyone say they've ever really had a psychedelic experience on them(trippy doesnt equal psychedelic)... weed can also be mildly psychedelic.. and sure any drug can alter your state of mind, but that doesnt make it psychedelic.. alcohol is definitly not psychedelic...

 

All thoughts are visual, abstract or not, all is visual, thats all we know and thats all we've got.
even blind think visually.
the introspective experience with alcohol imply drinking but not getting driunk at all. Letting go, but keeping control.

the alone real similarity beteeen drugs and alcohol is the dependency who is based on the exact same thing for both: the part of the brain that contain enzym who predetermine your sensibility or resistence to adictivs.
You sensibility is already determined by birth: youve got the enzyms or you dont got enough of them. And will therefor be more adicted to tobac, coffee, tea, lsd, weed, mushrooms, heroin, cocain, alcohol, and anything that has any adictiv effect on the brain.
They are making research in it, so to create those enzym, and to inject them to people or take them as pills, and by that reducing dependency immediatly, kind of instant rehab.
If you do no longer depend on it, the brain will refound its original balance, and way to perceive the world and will stick to it instead of being confused and believing that the original state of balance is the one it reach to when being under the influence of whatever stuff, and therefor pressing you like a maniac into founding the stuff and taking it no matter what.
Without its balance the brain cant function properly, and as being the main central system, CPU, it send an alarm code to all the body: thats survival instinct.
You've got to bring it to the brain. fact is that the brain is between 2 states when doing so, but insteaad of chosing the original state, to come back to, it just is unable to refound its original balance, and believe the equilibrium state is the one under the influence: stone, drunk, tripping, you name it.
Therefor it is very difficult to come out of it, as the brain dont want to hear it, and very esy to come back to it if you have been into it long enough, or if your level of enzyme is particulary low.
The brain will come back to its original confusion state and recognise all the shit immediatly as being "home".
Those enzymes are unique and are only on that part of the brain. So dependency isnt geneticaly transmissible as if parents alcolic/drugs addict so are kids, but more like the lack of enzymes is genetically transmissible, so oyu can have family where 1 or 3 kids have a low level and 2 a normal level, but none of the parents are addicted to anything, but the parents do have a low level of those enzymes.
The same goes with a high level. it makes one longer at getting drunk and longer at becoming an alcoholic and with time the addiction also kill more and more of those enzyme, therefor people who once could quit smoking or drinking easily, suddendly cant.
Alcohol is a psychopompe.
it poison the entire body and eat the lever away, then you die
cocaine eat the bones
others eat the muscles, each drug eat some part of your body, so thorougly that you will never get it back.
heroin eat the entire fat system, including the so call baby depot, those you cant never get off with like in the ears and chicks and feet.
Once gone they cant never be rplace, therefor ex junkies looks like junkies for ever.

 

LOL!

 

all depend on the receiver unit.
its like radio, the wave send out is the same, the quality of the sound and experience depend on the receiver unit, is it a good radio with good components or not, is the weather suited?
I get psychadelic on my own, without taking anything, so any side kicks is always too much and send me far out! Therefor i stay away from it.
I get psychadelic experience on a snap. Thats why i take no nothing, or i might never found home again.

 

So would you be saying, technically, that weed is not a psychedelic since it doesn't readily induce hallucinations? That completely throws my understanding of "psychedelic" out the window.

That's an amazing ability to have. I wish I knew how to do it.

 

me too i agree with you.

Thats easy, go see my thread, i explain how to do it.

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244514

Just reading it, you are on a trip, understanding it you are completely there, getting it, you fly!
Everybody can do that!

 

That's where I stopped reading the post. Blind people, or at least people who have been blind for their entire lives, have no concept of "thinking visually", as they know nothing about what anything looks like. They know nothing of color, reflection, contrast, etc, but they can still trip on psychedelics; only, they don't have the visual effects that others experience when they trip. They just have the mental aspects of it, but it is still considered a "trip".

And are you putting alcohol and "drugs" into separate categories? That's what it sounds like and, if so, then you are completely ignorant, as alcohol is, most certainly, a drug.

 

i have heard a few people say the same thing. personally i think you are full of shit. sure, i understand how it is possible to experience what may be considered a psychedelic state of mind without psychedelic drugs(happens for me all the time)... but i would never compare that to a TRUE psychedelic experience.

i think you are afraid of what might happen to you if you were to take psychedelics and it comforts you to think that you dont need to because you are high enough already. of course reality is somewhat subjective and who am i to say that you are not experiencing what you say you are. my point is that if you were to take a good amount of lsd you would understand exactly what i am talking about and most likely you would find your way back to normal reality just fine. just your fear that you will never come back suggests that you imagine that you will go somewhere that you can not get to sober - thus proving my point. why are you not afraid that you will not come back when you are able to "get psychedelic experience on a snap"... obviously what you experience on a snap is not the same as when you take a psychedelic drug - otherwise you would not be afraid because when you take the drug you wouldnt go anywhere that you can not already go when you are sober.

believe what ever makes you feel better - or take my word for it, you are in no way getting as high or psychedelic as those who take psychedelic drugs.

i have read a few of your posts and believe that you probably enjoy a more enlightened state of mind then most. i just wouldnt call that psychedelic. if you truly can achieve what you are suggesting then you could make millions of dollars selling your secrets to the world. if you can do it so can everyone else and i am sure it would be a huge discovery. if you do try to explain to the world how to achieve this you might want to keep it simple - avoid all the physics mumbo jumbo and get to the point. try speaking in layman terms - or a language that everyone can easily understand. i think that what you are saying is so difficult to understand because you dont fully understand it yourself.

do your pupils dilate when you "get psychedelic on a snap"?


you are in denial.

 

blind people can still see the colors and visuals...

 

I found you extremelly arrogant and fill with prejudices and frustrations and to be a person who cant accept any other way than his own way and totaly closed to new knowledge or new understanding, and who is very agressive and insultiv, and who do not want to admit it to yourself.

You are the one full of shit here.

Even if you were given the way to do it you wont even try it nor listen how to do it.

You have just proved it in anotehr thread that you didnt even read the subject of, but nonetheway feel completely intitled to criticised thus you didnt even knew what it was about, and thereby made acomplete fool of yourself, while thinking you were OH! so clever and wise.
Be so
stay so
but dont offend others in the process.
You dont know a thing about me, and ditto do not know if i have tried lsd or not.
Which ruin the entire thing you just wrote above.
As for how i write and why, it is none of your business and i have no order to receive from you in that area.
Before getting to the point, some basic facts have to be explained who will be completely unncessary to state if ti was told among initiated, people knowing already about htose things, but as most dont know, i have to scan them up for them, in a language who is understandable for all, before going into the heart of the matter.
<Mumbo jumbo is what you have in your brain right now and who is hindering you to see anything around you, not even yourself!
So before claiming criticism, think about what you have achieved yourself, and why you didnt achieved a thing.
It isnt because you dont have a clue, that people around you dont have either, and that the author didnt understood her own writtings!
You didnt get it because you are too leasy to even read it and having a look at the first page, isnt enough specialy for that kind of subject. You have to dig into deep, and deeper, to can access it. If you are not ready to do so, who gives a fuck??!! I dont! but dont come insulting me just because you are unable to dive!
Make the plunge, then speak. Dont talk about a country you have never heard of nor visited.
As for making million dollars selling, it and calling it a secret, little bro, look at how you look at it: you didnt even read it! so keeping it a secret in this shit world isnt that big of a problem!
Those who are not ready or deserving to get there eliminate themselves before hand!
As in regard of making a buck out of it, well, as i told you already you are full of prejudices and assume too much as you do not know whom i am nor what i am doing.
And believe me i am doing and i am on the way there.
Do youreally beleive, that when i was able to get that kind of thing out of my mind, I needed that kind of low pocket advices from you??!!
Get real buddy!
I am doing fine, you just dont know it, and my theory is solid as rock and will revolutionise the world of science and physic as well as the world at large and will influence the human consciousness on a global scale, but they just dont know it yet.
Stephen Hawkin was called an asshole and an idiot when he first presented his theory of quantum mechanic, and Einstein dump his math exams at college.. 10 years later he was corresponding with Niels Bohr and a fervent assistant of Max Planck.
Here i ma talking about much much more, but you saw only the front window, the one i made specially for guys like you, and they are plenty. Only those who pass that filter got the reward to joyfully grasp the fruit inside and shine like diamonds.
You didnt, congra!
You do nice lips services, but it just doesnt do the trick.
Be your words, mean them, and live them, or avoid talking.

<<you are in denial>> and I am very sorry for you.
But to speak the truth, I think you deserve it.

Dont open your mind, dont reach higher, stay in the dark where to meet your fellow companions to agree with about all, and remain selfrighteous and unmovable, and have a nice sunday.

And you are right here:"believe what ever makes you feel better - or take my word for it, you are in no way getting as high or psychedelic as those who take psychedelic drugs." Thats true, I am getting much much much more higher! Read what i wrote and see how psychadelic that trip must have been. All what i wrote was done in that higher state, also the very theoretical physic part... I have absolutly no knowledge of theoretical physic and dont know a shit about math, should I add to your knowledge, so you get a clear picture of what you are actually reading. I got it all, from "outhere". And i understood it all at once.
It lasted 4 hours with a constant flow of info and visions and sensations.
What you got there is the transcription of what happened at another level. More open minded than that, you dont get.

 

i have already written about the clear similarity of effect on the brain and enzyme on the brain in another post, right above that one, so i will suggest you to read it before just posting things based on thin air. Blind do see colors and images. You just dont know it and was too leasy to check it first, before sending critics based on your assumptions and prejudices about blind people and blindness..
too bad.

 

Even if that is true, it's irrelavent. Visuals aren't required for a psychedelic experience, which is what you seem to fail to realize. All I'm saying is that alcohol can expand the mind, at certain amounts, and can alter your way of thinking, which, technically, makes it a psychedlic experience, whether you choose to believe it or not.

And there was nothing prejudiced about anything I said, so don't even mention that shit.

 

The etymology and intended meaning of "psychedelic" is clearly in direct reference to the experience of chemicals like LSD, mescaline, psilocybin, etc, the word was made up to attempt to describe those experiences. The effects of alcohol and that of the classic psychedelics do not share many, if any, similarities chemically, neurochemically, and/or psychically. So alcohol is not "psychedelic".

 

OK

Of course, it's not psychedelic in the traditional sense, but it can expand the mind and deepen your thoughts so, in that sense, it is psychedelic, regardless of what anyone says.

 

Yes there is you just live in denial thats all. But thats ok, we need of all kind to make a world.

But you seems to completely oversee the main part of that post, and who was about the fact that you talk and talk an criticise others, but at the same time didnt even read what the person had said... so, what about saying "sorry", for a change?

 

Thanks for coming with a real definition of the therm that was most needed in that thread, who should have, in my meaning, been started with the definition of Psychedelic. It will have spare much ink and strifes...

Thanks again, that was the wisest comment in the entire thread.

 

How have I criticized anyone? I haven't......that's how. I haven't said anything about anyone. I've only stated my opinion, so stfu.