is drunkenness a psychedelic experience?

So.....no visuals=no psychedelia? Not.

 

only with heaqvy alcoholism come experiences of mind extending or shrinking depending of the angle of the viewer.

So if you want to get a real thorough psychedelic experience i will recommand you to read the books of Stephen Hawkins and other cosmolog and specialist in theoretical Physic.
It will project you really far far out. Thats amoung the stuff i use to get a psychadelic and mind expanding experience so i figure it should also work on you.

Another thing you might also try is my own writing about the creation of the universe that i will soon publish in here, no this thread, but in the forum.
Here you will get warranty a mind expanding experience that will last at least for 3 weeks non stop with side effects for at least a year.

About absinth its isnt forbidden, oyu can buy it in any supermarked in Danmark, sweden , and norway, and you can also get it in France and Andorra.

 

PS: psychadelic and mind expanding without visions? are you insane??
Its like talking geometry and excluding space.
You wont go far..
For me it involves flying through space constantly.

Projecting thougths
Receiving a constant flow of genial ideas and answers
Being extremelly tuned with the cosmos
Feeling of extreeme greater joy and overwhelming happyness.

And you?

 

For me alcohol loosens the body up but closes the mind to all but what I want to experience. That's why it feels so good and I just can't go wrong when I'm drunk. It's really a masturbatory drug like most depressants and it's all about feeling good regardless of what you do. That is why it is so commonly abused. People just want to feel good about themselves and alcohol helps them do it.

Weed loosens up the body AND opens up your mind so that you are forced to confront reality without the defense of your schemas. That's the reason that some people are uncomfortable with being high for the first time. These are usually the people who should consider continuing using weed the most. Weed forces you to want to change to fit the new challenges and opportunities presented by this clearer vision of reality, ones that you may have overlooked all of your life. You get a less biased view of the world for a few hours and it is very refreshing.

So no, I don't consider booze a psychedelic. But it is certainly a psychoactive, and it definitely has it's uses.

 

Alcohol intoxication is not all a waste. In fact it can work wonders for people who are by nature nervous and so much anxiety and can lead to an overall new experience (an experience that would have been impossible with it). The problem with alcohol is that it is so toxic and and kills brain cells. This why I don't drink that often anymore........no matter how good some insights are on liquer you mind will deteroiate with daily and sometimes weekly use.

Alcohol's "psychedelic" effects are kinda like that of the mild psychedelic MDMA (e). They are mainly social and I do think both drugs expand your social capabilities at least (which of course is physically shown by the lowering of inhibitions in general).

But ultimately alcohol is a very different drug with very different effects. Psychedelics expand your consciousness. It's hard to say what alcohol does....it may expand your consciousness but also dulls it at the same time (everything is just too happy happy on alcohol). One very different about the effect of alcohol vs even the mild psychedelic like weed and extacy is that alcohol dulls your senses, while weed, e, acid, and others will expand your sensual experience.

 

Do you mean to say that so long as the ideas are "deep" or "far out" or maybe even "awe inspiring" (like cool physics theories), then it's a psychedelic experience? Well, that's an interest take on it. I think I'm inclined to agree, but I wouldn't say it's limited to this. Keep in mind, though, you've just excluded visuals which, in your next post, you retract:

Hey, that's cool. I love reading about other people's theories and experiences. Are you sure it's going to leave me in a psychedelic daze for weeks though? That's a pretty bold statement. It's also pretty precise - 3 weeks exactly? How'd you come up with this number? Did you conduct experiments on people? Anyway, can't wait to read it.

 

I conducted experiment on me, and i do not havve written anywhere that reading excluded the visual experience, you read it inside your brain and preconcepttion of reading experience which isnt the same.
Theoretical physic is about the void and the functionement and creation of the universe at large and in the microcosmos like inner atoms and quarks.
The visual is by large the most of the experience. you cannot get through it without the visualisation of the abstract theories. It is all about visualisation, the same with phílosophy and metaphysic, you cant read it without visualising and hte same about ethical theories.
The visualisation is the essence of the abstraction.
The more oyu abstract the more you travel.
I never said either that the theories of Stephen Hawking were far out!
They are far from being so!
I told you that reading them will project you far far out. Which isnt the same. It is funny thou that you read it, quote it, and comment it, and still you dont have seen it..
Maybe its about time for you to clean your filters and expand your mind over the cage of your preconceptions..
Some cleansing is clearly ask here.

On the other hand alcohol, like extasy, has absolutly no effect on me.
I might get overawake or fall asleep with alcohol. if overawake i will create songs and sing, or want to have sex, or to make love, with a very deep sensual experience, while with extazy i will just fall into deep sleep and have visions while sleeping, premonotory type of visions, very accurate, and very real, who always end up to be true/being actualised in the following days and weeks.

Considering the fact that you didnt made the discovery on your own, I will say that the effect will vary for over 3 weeks, 6 weeks to 3 months. But the sensation is very cooling and liberating.
Like watching a new lanscape. You will love and enjoy it.

Share the warmth, i agree with most of what you said, but weeds do not forces one to evoluate or to face chalenges. Many take it to avoid them and as a antidepressor and to remove anxiety as well.
Not all experience a clear vision of reality, most experience an illusion of it, or just "mind blowing" visions, but not mind expending and do not consider weed or acid as a mean to grow inside.
It depends on the receiver, it depends on the one taking it. You will experience what you describe becasue oyu do have the inclination to expand and grow and see, others who do not have this inclination will only envision it as a mena ot have fun and will probably dont make much difference between the one and the other, nor weed or alcohol.
I think that regular intake of weed blind us.
It open up, then it closes t down as well.
The alone true way is on your own. So ok using weed to learn to fly and recognise the fields, then learn to do so without it.
Not all weed experience are mind expending and with time those mind expanding flashes become more and more rare.
It is stress releasing, but not expending. Weed has its limits as all drugs.
You have to take more and more for less and less effects.

You have to arrive at the state where you do not need those to attain the same effect, where you can do it on your own, compute yourself, disconnect from the radio waves and connect to the universe in a very short time, with a few preparations.
No manthra, no stoff, no gouru, just you and yourself.

 

Hi again, Lorna. Thanks for you reply.

By "visuals" I thought you were talking about hallucinations specifically. My mistake. Please don't take what I say to be an attack. I'm very straight forward with my comments on people's posts, and sometimes that comes across as rude or abrassive (comes from dealing with philosophers all the time ). My fault for not using more smilys I suppose.

When we post things here, or on any forum, there's bound to be misinterpretations. We can't express our thoughts as whole novels, so the next best thing is to post our thoughts succinctly and flesh out all the misunderstandings as the thread develops.

You're an interesting person, Lorna, and I'd hate to get on your bad side.

I certainly hope so.

I respectfully disagree . I think you're right when it comes to most people since almost everyone I've talked to just chills on pot. But I'm different. At high doses, I get paranoid on pot, and the higher the dose, the more paranoid I get. I've faced some pretty fierce demons while stoned on something as innocuous as pot. For the past several years, I've used pot as a spiritual tool to confront my demons, and it has definitely helped me to grow.

I think everyone's different. Everyone will get something different out of different drugs. Heck, there may even be one or two people out there who's drug-match is alcohol itself.

Now, this is I agree with wholeheartedly. Wouldn't it kick ass if we could develop techniques for experiencing psychedelia or otherworldly realms of existence just on our own? I hope this is something within the reach of mankind, maybe as he/she learns to harness his/her more latent mental powers, sort of like the industrial enterprise we've been investing in since Newton, but instead of springing from a material base, we'd begin with a psychological one.

 

Well, thats what i am doing since some years now. I begin with it around september-october 2000. was deep in it by december, kept growing an transforming steadily and very rapidly, for 5 whole years, until december 2005 when I reached the breakthrough state, and accessed it all.
Since it has only been the obvious.
You can say that in those 5 years i learned how to start and sustain the fly and how to land and experiment with the visions i got and interpreations of it, until those psycadelic things werent necessary anymore and i got connected while having a casual conversation. For the breakthrough point i was talking about electronic with a friend when it occured, all the sudden, and i had a compleete flow of knowledge and answers visuals and liek words, not words, but just direct acces to it, that i was "translating" into words in real time as it was occuring, to my friend who was in total chok.
I just beg him to dont interupt me as at the beginning he didnt understood what was happening.
From there thats just the same about selfdevelopment, but i just got all the answers to the real deep questions who have make wonder all mankind since the beginning of humanity.
It changes it all, thats why i say " admiring the new lanscape" for weeks after that revelation.
All it craved was to be totally open, no believes no prejudices. To be totally free from all chains concerning religions and creation and god/ not god, and direction of thought/ phylosophy.
I reached that state. Was like "empty" for some weeks, more and more, like rincing it totally, and then it just happened. I think the moment i had cleansed the last corner, bang! it was there.
I didnt do meditations or any stuff like that. Just usual things, daily things, but feeling it and thinking about it, very conscious of it, without doing soemthing peculiar or following any trend of thougth or external tool, of course.
Everybody can do so.
i dont talk about tommorrow i talk about now.
It isnt about getting stone or high but about getting clear and sure like a tree.
You just sit there solidly planted on your feet, the head in the sky.

 

you would have to be a complete idiot to think that alcohol was a psychedelic or that it could create a psychedelic experience in any way whatsoever.

even with absinth - the way it is made today, you would have to drink so much that you would pass out before you notice any psychedelic effect.

 

Psychedelia doesn't necessarily mean "colors and fractals" and all the visual shit. 5-MeO-DMT, for example, is among the most powerful psychedelics in the world, and most people report little to no visuals at all.

As I said, drunkenness can be very mind-expanding, depending on the individual and the situation. While most people just drink to get shit-faced and forget about their problems, others may use alcohol to think about their lives and it becomes a very introspective experience, which, to me, implies some mild psychedelia.

Also, I am quite the experienced tripper, so before you say I need a nice and powerful trip to know true psychedelia, I've had plenty powerful trips.

 

ABSINTH- pretty strong stuff, I drank it for the 1st time in prague, I don't know if you could call it psychedelic, but you sure hallucinate if you drink enough. (which I do NOT recomand=) it is legal in my country and I didn't know it was illegal in most. is it legal in USA?

 

Your really dumb if you dont think lsd is psychedelic. Apparently you dont know what the word means or something?

 

I drink to get Crunk I dont know aout you guys Also because i am in love with beer.

 

No joke i have had a serious revelation watching an infomercial before.

 

yeppity^^

 

yes indeed...


alcohol has an effect that is pretty much the opposite of lsd.

alcohol puts you to sleep and lsd wakes you up.

alcohol makes you forget about your problems only making them worse - lsd brings out the problems or helps you with them.

after drinking you feel like shit - after an lsd trip you feel great.

need i go on...

 

Yes, go on.

A substance doesn't have to be the same as LSD to be considered psychedelic. By definition, "psychedelia" is simply the expansion of the mind and, in certain situations and with proper usage, alcohol can certainly expand the mind, so I would, personally, consider it to have at least SOME psychedelic potential. I mean, it makes music deeper, it deepens emotions, and it makes you think. It's certainly not psychedelic in the traditional sense though.

Also, alcohol doesn't always make your problems worse and it doesn't always make you forget your problems because, like I said, it is dependant on proper usage.

I know nobody is gonna agree with me, but that's how I see it.

 

And as for alcohol making you feel like shit afterwards.....iboga/ibogaine produces, supposedly, a very unpleasant experience, so does that make it any less psychedelic?

 

Most people in this thread seem to define "psychedelia" as "mind expansion", which is a little different from what I originally thought. I originally thought "psychedelia" simply meant "trippy" - like some experience that you've never had before and it blows you away that you're having it. I guess, "mind altering" would be the way I put it, but not in any old trivial way - it has to leave you at a loss for words and in wonder that you had the experience.