Is Apu from the Simpsons racist?

Trump

 

I'm pretty sure when Indian TV shows portray a white stereotype it isn't considered racist. Only things that white people do are racist.

 

Only in America!

 

And much worse in Germany

 

No particular ethnicity has THE final say about what should happen to a stereotypical character on tv just because the character (charicature) is of that particular ethnicity, or minority.

Perhaps to some people this is the issue. But for others it really is the supposed offensiveness of the character itself. Then you have those people who find positive representation in the media the most important aspect. And to others it is mainly about freedom of speech.

No. They should be listened to and taken serious when they express their concerns. But in a society no group should get the final say by default just because something might be offensive or even discriminating. You look at it together and try to come up with a solution together.
My preferred solution would be more nuanced and adequate portrayals of indian americans in american media.. without cencuring comedy or shows that critically or humorously (and this is what Simpsons is doing imo) reflect on our society, or pressuring such shows in getting rid of or changing certain characters.
Apu is entirely ok, even if he really offends more than 50% of indian americans (does he?). We have already concluded that other characters with a certain national or ethnic background in that show can be perceived as just as offensive, yet they're not made a problem of. So yeah:

This might ring true in a way. But its not the people you had in mind. Its those people who have the principle in their head that controversial humor and stereotypical charicatures suddenly become problematic when they involve an ethnic minority.

 

He made the phrase "it's ok to be white" mainstream. We know what is meant by that yet his voters say they only ask for what other races have.

 

What did he mean by that?
Because to me it just sounds like he's saying it's okay to be white in a world where white people are under constant scrutiny from non whites about what whites do.

I'm guessing you're going to tell me a bunch of ham about Nazis and white supremacy though. A personal interpretation of sorts. Probably going to have to do better to convince me.

 

I know I can not convince you since you have shown pro nazi tendencies. The refusal as a white person to feel shame and you don't see that as "racist"

You are right Nazis use the phase as you say. But people outside the group do not see it that way.

Racial issues in America are hard to understand as a European. I don't mean to be offensive but what you apply to it is not how many here see the issue.

 

What is this supposed to mean?

 

It means I'm supposed to feel shame and guilt over something that I didnt do and what never happened to him or anybody he knows. Because white people are the only race of people that committ hate crimes based on skin color.



And what you apply to be Nazi isn't what many people in Europe see as Nazi either. So don't start casting stones in your glass house. Americans will throw the "Nazi" at anything and everything, yet they aren't even a socialist country so anything Nazi is completely irrelevant to the term.

 

It means that in America right now I see a lot of white people angry that issues like BLM are brought up. They should not be everyone is equal in America. This makes whites a victim since they owned no slaves and do not directly cause racism. All it is is so called "identity politics". If only everyone just worked hard and shut up there would be no issue.

Racists capitalize on this.

 

Yeah, that's kind of the way I took it too. Fuck shame.

 

I see your point with direct shame in a way. I just like to think of ways I can make the world better rather then continue a he said she said thing. At some point someone needs to help and love. Even if I know I did not cause a problem I can cause a solution and love my fellow man.

 

Okay then, but you tell me, how is casting out the term "Nazi" at people going to help your peaceful belief? How is, me defending my family as soldiers and you saying I have "Nazi tendencies" because of that actually a progression to what you want to achieve? Because what you're actually doing, seems really "Nazi" to me. You hold personal interpretations as political values, then go and cuss out genuine people like they're a political prisoner.

Well you know who did that? Yep. Nazis did that.

You would actually want to rid the world of a population of people who don't share the same values as you do.

You know who did that? Yep. Nazis did that.

How are your mannerisms and way of life any better when you yourself appear to be so loathing and burdened by it that you cannot even identify the exact same characteristics within yourself that you argue about in other people?

I don't really see these arguments doing anything good or positive. You want a positive world, starts with yourself and the negativity thrown onto others.

 

Nazi is used when it applies. Again I guess I speak more as an American. I have not been to Germany in several years. I know nothing of the local politics beyond some want the Muslims and some say they rape the locals.

Speaking as an American what do you call man who chant "Jews will not replace us" as they do the Hitler goose step salute? A gesture that is illegal in Germany due to it's Nazi past.

Are these men not supporting Nazis? This is the alt-right Republican party of Trump.

 

"In a way", lol.

 

oh i know he's all types of bigots rolled into one. i was being sarcastic

 

The Muslim ordeal isn't as clear cut as want and rape. It has more to do with that these refugees are coming into the country, committing illegal activities and aren't being subjected to the same laws as the people living in the country. That's one of the big deals. If they're gonna rape, then we wanna see them subjected to jury and jail like any other person would be. We don't want to see them get off free of charge. Just like anybody wouldn't want to see that. So the white supremacy factions and chapters constantly oppose and what pisses me off is that, it's only the white supremists that actually have the courage to go and oppose it vocally for everyone else is afraid of being subjected as racists for dare saying or supporting that cause.

Because somehow it's racist to say that Muslim men shouldn't gang rape women.

A guy goose steps and puts down Jews in America I'd call a fool, not a Nazi. That's similar to saying you believe in.. I dunno.. Japanese mythology so you're Japanese now or something. Until America becomes a complete socialist faction with a large percentage of population that actually believes in the indoctrination, then by all means... Until then, they're just racist people. Nazi was an extremely political termination, now it's used as a term for anyone who is racist, but only whites because whites are the only people that are racist.

 

Yes in a way. Not sure why that's funny

I'm white too and I know nothing is gained with blaming. Those who don't agree with me don't want to feel blame. We need to be the generation that moves past the past. None of us were there.

I thought that was what people like you wanted. To not be responsible for the past and you are not. But you are responsible for the present.

I'm not sure what to say. I can show you evidence of Hitler being a respected role model here and it's still not "nazi". Those same people do in fact want a system of government like his. It's only "socialism" when speaking from the left wing. Socialism is always bad in America. We do fear it but they love everything else about the system.

 

I'll admit, I don't really understand political terms and agendas so I can't enter that debate. I googled what I had to lol.
I also didn't type what I wanted to about the American Nazi because, I know my sense of humor will be rubbed the wrong way. But I was going to say something like inbred rednecks couldn't pull off how good the Nazis actually looked in uniform.