Is 4-aco-dmt similar to shrooms? your experience?

"one is theorized to be converted into the other, but it's just conjecture at this point."

Wut? Pork, I thought that all of the acetylated analogs were used in lab testing for substituting their HO counterparts... I've read a few articles where they substituted them.

Would you say that for all of the 4-AcO tryptamines? As far as I thought it was fact... Can you cite an article that proves it wrong? Or at least disproves it does metabolize that way?

 

can you site a paper where they prove it?
people don't really write scientific papers to prove things wrong, they do it to provide evidence or "prove" things right.

it's reasonable to think that AcO gets converted into HydrOxy, but that doesn't mean that the drugs will have identical effects. one will almost certainly hit faster than the other, last a different amount of time, etc.

 

Just made an account finally.
firstly to counter that statement (kindly).

Yes it may seem that scientists hardly ever produce papers/studies about proving things wrong, but the thing is the ratio of proving studies to disproving studies having their papers published in the scientific journals is 1:10. put simply: Studies disproving facts/theories/product effectiveness/health safety are much more often rejected to being published or made available to the scientific census and public.

Oh and on the topic; ive heard that 4-aco-dmt is like dmt with shroom visuals... and by reading all this, seems like it feels much better, before during and after because of the less present (atleast at the moment) toxicity of the drug.

 

Mushrooms are not toxic in the sense that they can be fatal. Although ingesting the fungal matter can be physically upsetting. But it is true 4-aco can be like a mushroom trip but without the mushroom drain on the digestive system.

 

They are quite similar but have a few subtle differences. Mushrooms have a more organic feel to them and they hit hard and fast and then have a sharp drop off. 4-aco-dmt on the other hand comes on a bit more gradually( if taken orally), and eases you up to the peak(relative to mushrooms that is. Its still a powerful ascent). the 4-aco-dmt seems to last a bit longer than shrooms and the comedown seems more gradual.

A couple things i enjoy about 4-aco-dmt that is lacking with mushrooms are 1. more precise dosing, and 2. you can plug it.

#1-dosing: With mushrooms potency can vary wildly between different batches(and even a little withing the same batch). For example, I have had 2 grams of one batch having me trip way harder than 4-5 grams of another batch. Why this is the case had alot to do with what species of mushroom they are and of course how they are grown. After doing them a few dozen times i can usually give a good approximate of how potent they will be, but still only an approximation. 4-aco-dmt on the other hand can be dosed out precisely to the mg if you have a good scale. knowing whether its 4-aco-dmt hcl, fumerate, or freebase will effect dosing somewhat, but can be easily adjusted for. That being said, if you buy say a gram of 4-aco-dmt fumerate, 30mg will be 30mg will be 30mg. If your new to the drug and want to start small that's easy to do, mushrooms on the other hand have more guesswork. For example you could take 1.5g of mushrooms if its your first time and still get totally annihilated if they turn out to be very potent. This is one of the great advantages of RCs like 4-aco-dmt. After trying it a few times at different dosages you can zero in onto a dose that you most enjoy and never have to worry whether what you just took will be stronger or weaker than what you want. This principle can be applied to just about any RC that comes as a very pure powder.

#2-Rectal ROA or "plugging": again here 4-aco-dmt has the advantage of having more than just the oral ROA. Now i have heard of people snorting and smoking 4-aco-dmt, but anecdotal evidence of these 2 ROAs are almost universally negative, at least relative to taking it orally. Now just FYI if you have never plugged anything before I'll give a brief explanation. The drug you want to plug ought to be water soluble and helps if its already powdered. For example: if you want to try plugging something like morphine sulphate or ecstacy, your going to want to grind the pills down into powder before doing anything else. After that its fairly simple. First off you take the powder and mix it in hot water( not boiling or anything like that, just hot water from the tap should work fine) the warmth of the water will help put the drug into solution. any non-soluble material will remain and sink to the bottom. I suppose you could filter this material out somehow but its really not necessary, anything not water-soluble is unlikely to be absorbed by your colon and should pass naturally. Next: take a syringe without a needle(I hope that's a given) and suck up the solution into the syringe. Add a little lubricant or lotion to the end of the syringe for easy entry. Relax and gently push the syringe in at least half an inch. Push the plunger, then gently clinch as you pull the syringe out. Now once its in keep it tight so none of it leaks out.

Now you might be asking yourself why you just read a tutorial for shoving drugs up your ass, so let me get back on topic. Every drug has different BioAvailabilities for each Route Of Administration aka BAs and ROAs. Now in the case of mushrooms oral is the only viable ROA. However, this is not the case for 4-aco-dmt. For me, and a lot of other people, taking things like 4-aco-dmt orally can cause upset nausea, vomiting, stomach cramps and all around GI discomfort. also if you have food in your stomach its going to take alot longer to hit you and its going to lose a lot of its oomph. When it comes to 4-aco-dmt, the oral BA is about twice the rectal BA. This means that if you plug it, you only need half the dose that you would take orally to achieve the same effect.

Compared to the oral ROA, plugging 4-aco-dmt minimizes GI tract upset, decreases the onset time from 20-60 minutes to under 5 minutes(no joke it hits you hard and fast. i always hate playing the waiting game after dosing so this is a plus for me), and cuts the required dose in half. All good things, all things you cannot do with mushrooms.

All that being said, mushrooms are a wonderful psychedelic and im not knocking them in any way. ive probably done shrooms more times than any other psychedelic. 4-aco-dmt is very similar to mushrooms but there are a few benefits to using it: besides all the ones ive already covered, there is cost. Usually you can get mushrooms for ~10$/G making most trips for me cost anywhere from 30-50$ for a single trip. 4-aco-dmt on the other hand can usually be found on sale for ~150$/G give or take. Depending on your usual dose and ROA this(for me atleast) makes 4-aco-dmt around 10X cheaper than mushrooms.

Now ive given way more info than the OP asked for so ill just end with this. Thank you for reading my rant on 4-aco-dmt. Mushrooms and 4-aco-dmt are both wonderful psychedelics and i wouldn't say that doing one should have you crossing the other off your bucket list. Ill say that I have done a wide variety of RCs and 4-aco-dmt has got to be the most similar to mushrooms with the exception of miprocin or 4-ho-dipt, which is also very similar to mushrooms but ive only tried it once so i can't comment on it too much.

Sorry again for the rant, but i hope this cleared some things up for you. Now be safe and have fun:2thumbsup:

-Pillshark:sunny:

 

miprocin is 4-HO-MiPT
4-HO-DiPT is called iprocin

i would name it mip or M.I.P. (like Most Important Person)
and dip

i agree with the statement about scientific publishing - journals would rather publish an article proving something over disproving something. but not all the time i'm sure.

4acodmt is more like mushrooms with DMT visuals.

 

LOL, Yah rectal 4-aco-dmt was pretty amazing. I only tried it once, my first trip with it in fact and you pretty much touched on all the bonuses that the rectal ROA has to offer. I felt it was one of my strongest trips with the chem, yet it felt very refined and had a majestic quality to it.

 

and you've eaten it a few times since, gb?

maybe that was due to setting? hard to shove drugs up yer rear at a tool concert i imagine..
but do you think you'll repeat rectal admin. of 4aces?

 

i've nothing helpful to add that hasn't already except, don't insuffulate 4 aces, i think it fucked up my sinuses after doing it twice.

 

Yah I've tried 4-aco-dmt oral a few times.

It would be fairly difficult to try rectal adminstration for a concert and setting has factored into opting for oral on a couple of other 4-aco-dmt trips. I haven't always had readily available syringes to dose rectally as well.

If I obtain more 4-aco-dmt and have readily available syringes, I very well may explore rectal administration again.

 

voyage!! have you shared this information with us before? i didn't take you for much of a snorter

 

Thanks for catching that Porkstock 4-ho-Mipt is what i meant-Miprocin. I've never had a chance to try 4-ho-Dipt(Iprocin), but i suspect that all the 4-subbed tryptamines are great (4-ho or 4-aco: dmt, met, det, dpt, mipt, dipt and so on. The only bad tryptamine I ever had was Amt. I wasn't to hot on 5-meo-mipt(moxy) either, but that's another story:daisy: