Introduction and Is there a non-Binary discussion thread?

If there is a better place for this thread let me know. I just want to know if there are others out the there.

I identify as non-binary gender. What that means to me is that I feel I can Express myself and have both genders in me. I feel on a spectrum. Somedays I want to be a handsome man other days I want to be a beautiful woman. Im not transgender I dont think because I dont think i want to start a gender change. My emotions run this gamut as well.

It has nothing to do with sexual orientation or sexual expression for me. I rarely get aroused dressing as a women. Sexually I am heterosexual, with male genitalia and want to be only with my lady sexually since that is what I promised her.

Today i am feeling very fem. So I have dressed as such: skirt, leggings, makeup, breast forms and a nice but casual shirt. Though my nipples are kind of showing through bra and shirt...ladies any help? I am just wearing a sweater loosely over to cover them.

I have also started some speech classes to help with my deeper voice.

Anyway I wanted to share my secret passion about being non-binary, see if there are others on the forums here and encourage a place for us to share experiences.

 

well i don't ever FEEL anything gender based about myself.
male or female, gay or streight, i just don't believe in that having anything to do with identity.

i still apply it to what i'm attracted to though.
to the degree that i'm still attracted to anything at all, nothing male attracts me, beyond social.

but like the op says, social and sex are seperate things.
i don't feel male OR female. i feel completely gender neutral.
like a vulcan or a cartoon or something,
like the sex thing has nothing to do with the social thing
which is all about consideration and logic and how we make the world by how we live in it,
for which imagination and honesty are good too.

 

NM ladies. I went shopping and found some silicone petals that are reusable to cover. They are working well no more showing nips.

 

I respectfully disagree but love discussion. Non-binary is an umbrella term meaning the person does not fit or stay on one side or the other of the conventional gender definition.

So you said I'm:

"Bi" nope I think
Maby but that term often is slang or shortened for bisexual. I'm not. I have not had sex with men and dont wish to. Could "Bi" stand for both genders? In that case, yes.

"Bardash" nope
I had to look this up honestly.
bardash

• n.
  A boy kept for unnatural purposes.
• n.
  A homosexual male.

1) Eww no no
2) nope I'm like the vagina too much to. commit to penises only.

"Two spirit" nope I think
This definition fits really well for me. But I was told it was reserved for Native Americans and Indigenous peoples around the world. Of of respect, I do not use that term to describe myself.

"No gender" nope
Usually described as subsection of non-binary:
"Have a neutral or unrecognized gender identity, such as agender, neutrois, or most xenogenders."

"Intergender,androgynous,genderfluid " yes these are also under the non-binary term.
"Have an identity between male and female. Have a gender identity which varies over time. Have multiple gender identities"

Just some thoughts for discussion. Thank you.

 

It's a Native American thing. My understanding is that it's synonymous with the two-spirit thing. The bardash? I don't know if that's spelled right... Anyway, I studied it in sociology. It had sexual connotations but they are highly respected members of their communities; so much different than what most non-binary individuals likely experience in their lives.

EDIT: I found this site to go along with my theory about the meaning of bardash.

Two-Spirit | Cultural Anthropology

 

Very cool thanks for the educational post. I bet spelling might be wrong because definition I found seemed offensive (and im sure that was not the OP intention) and not anything close to what you found.

 

Awesome thanks for sharing. You and I relate to gender very differently. I like to connect on whatever level I can to what ever gender i am feeling at the time.

 

If I'm sensing your aversion correctly it has to do with a fear of cultural appropriation because you are not Native American. It's great that you're being respectful and all, but I think two spirit describes non binary people rather well. So which culture does it belong to? Non Native non binary people? Or hetero normal Native people? I wouldn't be so hesitant to embrace the term, but I'm not Native American so maybe opinion doesn't mean much. But still, my 2 cents...

 

I guess that's why I said "nope" and my statement "fits really well" is probably wrong. I agree with you I think two spirit describes nonbinary really well. Just...maby not a good fit for me. I am not native. I dont want to impose my feelings on something that might be sacred and dont / cant fully grasp not being apart of their culture.

Hope that helps clarify. Thanks for participating in the discussion. I am very new to admitting these feelings to my self. Eventhough I can trace it back to being very young, I have denied and suppressed it for so long, I am now just learning to put descriptions to them.

Posting here and not getting burnt to a crisp by trolls breathing flames...is refreshing and honest discourse. Thanks again.

 

i was crippled from feeling that connected perception by how i was raised, and i really love and appreciate, how when the furry community was getting started the perception was dominant in it, and to a large degree that open acceptance is still there still worn proudly, and i'm thankful for that, and for every place where there can be that open connectedness between everyone.
what i am able to do, is for the most part, in a social context at least, it to transcend the idea of gender of any kind at all.
and that may sound unnatural and it took decades to develop, but now this is home to my spirit.
a kind of heaven, as close as there is to heaven, in this life to me, where gender is a thing which outside of sex, outside of fantasies and ideas about sex, it just doesn't exist at all.

affection is wonderful, and its not often. but there is another aesthetic of gratification too, and that's what i see in designing of mechanical and technology things, in such a way as to maximize their harmony with all the other forms of life, that own this world as much or more then our human species.
(my fascination there began when i was less then a year old seeing the amazement, as it was for me at the time, of seeing very small mechanical things moving under their own power)

i'm actually positively comforted by our species and our planet not being central to existence anywhere beyond human social perceptions. and of course in many traditional social perceptions, beyond the narrowness of supposed cultural mainstream, that indiginous and tradional cultures, not universally, but a significant statistical majority share this perception that our own species in not alone in its 'right' to exist, and indeed its existence is very much dependent on the diversity of other species.

 

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

 

Feeling male today, nice suit. Combed hair. Tall and proud

 

I was thinking you might of been a shemale...
But i am now guessing i'd be wrong.
But anyway welcome.

 

Had an awesome 6 hours as female today. Found great skirt and modest blouse. It showed a little cleavage which was fun.

 

Wouldn’t you rather grab an axe and split some logs, go bowling, fishing, practice some mixed-martial arts, go deer hunting (and actually kill Bambi) Homebrew some beer,
restore classic cars, or play a nice game of darts? ..lol...

 

showing my cleavage doesn't sound all that fun to me, but neither do half the things you just listed. bowling and darts are great though.

 

Um...sure. that fun too.