Intellectual uses of LSD

No man I know what you mean...I definitely don't think that psychedelics are to be used with reckless abandon (although that's how I myself have done it, and been able to handle it...but I'm not normal with this shit). You may be right, perhaps you have met a higher percentage of people who were predisposed to something going way wrong...or maybe you knew people who already had had too much and took that one toke over the line......

I would also say that how you treat the drug has a bit to do with it, ie "I can handle anything, fuck this shit, I'll walk all over it" and it'll walk all over YOU. That certainly could have something to do with it, at least in my opinion. Though, and I don't know how related this is, it's been my observation that those who simply take risks without a whole lot of worrying about the consequences are the ones who "get away with murder."

If someone had suggested that I take mushrooms first, I don't know that I'd have continued with trippin, period. I found mushrooms enjoyable, but only because they offered that little bit of out of control, visual version of the world for me. Shrooms definitely helped me out with some problems, but they were ABSOLUTELY without any sort of intellectual side to it. Acid is what has made me think, shrooms take everything apart to the point where the only thoughts are "where did reality go?" I dunno shit's different for everyone, but from my experience and what all of the people I know that have done shit, shrooms are not what anyone would call "intellectual" whereas the people I know that are so-called "intellectual" people have had amazing experiences on acid.

When I was just entering post-peak on a ten strip, I said to my friends "acid and a good vocabulary go VERY well together..." It seems to me that thinkers are the kind of people that will have a good experience with acid; they are the ones that will come out with all kinds of awesome thoughts about life that actually will help them. That same day I also said, earlier I think "shrooms are the intoxicant of the masses" meaning that more people would have a good experience coming out of a shroom trip.

Having a total meltdown is a very real possibility, but research shows that it's not something that you should worry about - it's a very small proportion of people that have a total disintegration of reality that persists after a trip ends. I personally had a problem last year that came as a direct result of having taken acid, but in the end that same experience led to me getting myself out of it. At some points during that time (which is, I believe what can be known as an existential crisis) I felt as though things would never be normal again; I got real paranoid at night a lot of the time and felt as though I would crack at almost any moment, but within 4 -5 months things were getting better and a year later I'm better than I ever have been. That's why I say that even "bad" trips (which was what caused the problem..though you could also look at it as the problem was there, and acid brought it out and made me aware of it, making it worse) have good results, even if it's not right away.

You only damage the way you organize reality when you fight how LSD changes it - that's what I ALWAYS tell my friends when they trip for the first time - I say "This will be one of THE MOST important experiences in your life...you WILL BE DIFFERENT afterwards." I can see quite a problem arising out of trying to always think about reality in the same way you always have after trippin, because you can't help but see things differently.

 

i think it really just depends on the person and the dosage and the mindset when you're taking the drugs, because i have tripped way more intensely (mentally) on even small doses of shrooms than i have on acid. i'm just partial to the natural stuff. plus, shrooms never give you that terrible hangover that acid can... it just feels like you're meant to take the shrooms

 

a couple of comments, neuronaut:

you seem to be experienced with tripping-we can smell our own. you are correct about it bringing up pre-existing problems. that is why it can be scary, but very beneficial, if you're the strong-minded type.

the poster referred to wanting to find enlightenment. though no drug can ever simply give this to you, i feel that this path involves the ability to see outside the intellectual, which shrooms can definitely help with. as you stated, they break the intellectual down, and allow you to experience existance seperate from your logical apparatus. i agree that acid is much more thoughtful, and beneficial in that area. both are important.

i also agree that it is important not to cling to your version, or old perception of, reality when under the influence of a psychadelic. a quote that has helped me and many others, many times-(not an exact quote, probably) if in trouble, relax and float down stream-Timothy Leary. makes alot more sense when your tripping.

 

The dosage for first timer should not depend on a drug, but on a user. If u are strong-minded , smart, researched carefully and alto about this big step forward in ur life, you should be prepared.. adn after all just rate ur self truthfully,, who are u, in this world currently, and if u think u might not know something , do less that firslty planned dosage... you will reach that pointed u aimed for... I first time after a lot of research and reading did 10 grams with two other fellas.... i had this suepr amazing trip, of alot of laughter and deep , pure relaxation and peace from withing.... next trips only got better through better pre-organization.... "It doesn't matter how slowly u walk, it matters that you DO WALK"

 

Dude your period key must be broken, it's inserting like three extra every time where there should be one.

I agree it depends on the user, but what you say about knowing yourself is the problem. Someone may think they're ready when they're really not - that's a main point in mental illness is not knowing that there's something wrong.

 

Excellent idea! I do that every time. I like to think up theories and idea about how everything got to where it is and how we can improve... It makes me scared sometimes that our world is starting to not be ok... Keep the thoughts coming!

 

neuronaut- its user's problem if u are so stupid that u think u are ready adn u are not, doing it without proper research and preparation - it will not have any profound effect on u.. and u just missed AMAZING GOLDEN TICKET.

Colimon- better read information and learn alot what u are intersed in.. already proven and famous facts, and think about them.

 

Please, the grammar.

 

Word.

I am probably going to trip for the first time this weekend. Although, if I haven't climbed out of this emotional slump, I won't. I probably will. To avoid using drugs as an escape, I am only going to drop if I am in the best of moods. This allows for a clearer head. Oh, and, is LSD a clear headed high? As in, weed is not, heroin and crack are.

 

not even in the same category. you and your head may become seperated. it is clear and chaotic in a way you won't understand until you do it. i hope you haven't done crack or heroin. if you're seeking enlightenment-those take you in quite the opposite direction-they're not exactly "clear", just intense. weed can be very clear, it really just depends on how you decide to focus your mind.

 

oh, and whether or not you respect it. (disrespecting it would be smoking to the point where it isn't psychoactive anymore-just euphoric and relaxing)

 

Psh.

I don't like weed. I have never done crack or heroin. I'm smoking weed again tonight, and I'm going to try my best to get the most out of it.

 

the reason i may write using incorrect grammar. is that i live only 4 years in this great country of liitless opportunities and availabiltyof this amazing plant clled shrooms, and my first language is Ukrainian, and Russian, adn then only English as a second language. i am gettign better, since i came here i only could say" hello, i am from Ukraine. bye.... No matter how u speak, what matters if it can be understood. Go for it jonny !

 

yes -LSD will help you!!! do research and hopefully find an experienced tripper to trip with.

 

So, I'm going to drop for the first time tomorrow, early in the morning. Any last minute suggestions? Tips?

 

fast and meditate prior. lots of water. wish i could loan ya my voyager xl.

 

you might like to look at the website for the O.K. Neo-American Church. LSD is a sacrament of our religion.