Intellectual Laziness of Atheists

Discussion in 'Agnosticism and Atheism' started by Adventurous, Nov 7, 2005.

  1. Erasmus70

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    Its just a big shock to the Atheists though.. they seemed to have taken it for granted that the glory days were here to stay and they had bought into the 'Final Enlightenment'.
    When it turns out they were part of a passing fad (which never really took off in the first place) then its like getting hit in the face with ice water for them.

    Hence you see the rather sudden and furious 'death scream' across the internet.
    Not so much the published journals of which they are not acknowledged much anymore.

    Must be quite a shock though.. they never even saw it coming it seems.
     
  2. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    Erasmus is the quintessential "Christian". His attempts to condescend, mock, ridicule, and flame is perfectly in line with Jerry Falwell and most other "Christians".

    The problem is...he fails because jackasses can't succeed in making others feel wrong, they just succeed in making themselves look like the logically handicapped breed of jackass. ;)
     
  3. Erasmus70

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    Jerry Falwell is soft spoken and rarely uses ridicule and flamebaiting etc.
    You might be thinking of Luther, Knox or Erasmus?

    At any rate, you will just have to keep telling yourself its true.
    Good luck on that.
     
  4. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    You've got to be out of your fucking mind.

    Falwell and Robertson are the stupidest, most insulting morons ever to grace the title "Christian".

    And their arsenal is CONSTANT and CONSISTENT Ad Hominem attacks.
     
  5. Kharakov

    Kharakov ShadowSpawn

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    Fools are condemned by their own words:
     
  6. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    Lucky for me, I'm not a fool like someone else I know who even has "ass" for his name. :rolleyes:

    Besides, it is a known fact that Falwell and Robertson are morons. They CLAIM to be something they ACT in opposition to. Jesus would've referred to them as...what is it...yes, "hypocrites". :H
     
  7. GanjaPrince

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    I have to agree with you there... falwell especially constantly rape's christ's message for his own ends.
     
  8. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    They are what I affectionately refer to as "hypochristians". ;)
     
  9. BlackGuardXIII

    BlackGuardXIII fera festiva

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    Jim Jones, of the Jonestown massacre is up there. Bakkar, Swaggart, Ernest Angely, Peter Popoff, and Oral Roberts, too.
    and this guy's a 'Christian', as well...
    A collection of quotations attributed to:
    Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, who is particularly known in Britain for such controversial remarks made while on public visits.
    1. When visiting China in 1986, he told a group of British students, "If you stay here much longer, you'll all be slitty-eyed".
    2. After accepting a gift from a Kenyan native he replied "You are a woman, aren't you?"
    3. "If it has four legs and is not a chair, has wings and is not an aeroplane, or swims and is not a submarine, the Cantonese will eat it." (1986)
    4. "British women can't cook." (1966)
    5. To a British student in Papua New Guinea: "You managed not to get eaten then?"
    6. Asked a Scottish driving instructor, "How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough for them to pass the driving test?"
    7. On a visit to the new Welsh Assembly in Cardiff, he told a group of deaf children standing next to a Jamaican steel drum band, "Deaf? No wonder you are deaf standing so close to that racket."
    8. He asked an Australian aborigine, "Still throwing spears?" (2002)
    9. Said to a Briton in Budapest, Hungary, "You can't have been here that long – you haven't got a pot belly." (1993)
    10. To the President of Nigeria, who was dressed in traditional Muslim robes, "You look like you're ready for bed!"
    11. Seeing a shoddily installed fuse box in a high-tech Edinburgh factory, HRH remarked that it looked "like it was put in by an Indian".
    12. When a twelve-year-old boy told the Prince that he aspired to be an astronaut, the Prince responded, "You're too fat."
     
  10. Erasmus70

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    Prince Philip is now my new hero.. awesome quotes!

    As big a bunch of wieners as Angely, Swaggart and Popoff really are - I dont see putting Jim Jones in there.
    I mean seriously, Jim Jones.
    Thats like me saying 'Atheists like Libertine and Jeffrey Dahmer' always talking about their Evolutionism and how they dont believe in God..
    I mean seriously.

    The wacked thing about Jones (and basing this on a documentary I saw) was that the guy was actually a 'very nice man' and he did not come off like a Swaggart or a Robertson or these sorts.
    I guess the best mass-murderers are always the quiet ones.

    I wouldnt cross the street to attend a Jerry Falwell Service but from everything Ive seen and read about the man - he is rather quiet and reserved and has a sense of humour and humility about him.
    Not my style by any means but he doesnt come off as a ranting and hell and brimfire preacher people accuse him of.
    Maybe when he was younger?
     
  11. GanjaPrince

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    I changed my find, the telltubby show is gay satanitic conspiracy designed to spread AIDS! and Falwell is the second coming... he is so humble he would say he isn't...














    ;)
     
  12. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    Wow. Good points, indeed. ;)
     
  13. Erasmus70

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    How so?
     
  14. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    How so?

    Because the guys he listed are JUST AS fucked in the head as Falwell and Roberts, thus I was mistaken to say that they were the stupidest. Plenty are right up there with 'em.

    Hell, get a TV show and you'd probably be right up there as well.
     
  15. BlackGuardXIII

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    'Thats like me saying 'Atheists like Libertine and Jeffrey Dahmer' always talking about their Evolutionism and how they dont believe in God..
    I mean seriously.

    The wacked thing about Jones (and basing this on a documentary I saw) was that the guy was actually a 'very nice man'. I wouldnt cross the street to attend a Jerry Falwell Service but from everything Ive seen and read about the man - he is rather quiet and reserved and has a sense of humour and humility about him.'
    Erasmus70
    Or atheists like Libertine and Isaac Asimov always saying that being nice is more about the here and now, than in hopes of some afterlife reward.
    Didn't Falwell say 'Blow them all away in the name of the Lord.' or something similar?
    So Jones was very nice?
    I think that you're personality assessment standards might differ from mine.
    I read that Stalin doted on his granddaughter too, so does that mean he's a potential houseguest?
    Falwell has a very well hidden sense of humility. I never would have guessed.
    He always came across as a pontificating, condescending, self-assured know-it-all to me.
     
  16. Erasmus70

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    Guys like Stalin and Libertine.. no no... I only gave an example of a serial-murdering Atheist.
    Stalin is a whole nuther level being Atheism greatest mass-murderer and officially the greatest mass-murderer in all of history (by volume).
    Also, the logical conclusion of Atheism anyways.

    As for 'living for here and now and not some afterlife'.
    Bullshit.
    Its better argued that those who do believe in an afterlife have all the more reason to be living here and now and making life count.
    There is no situation where you find belief in an afterlife (which is almost all humans) tends one to take this one any less seriously (or happily).
    Nice try Assimov, you hack.

    Anyways.. 'Kill em all in the name of the Lord' is one of my all time favourites.
    Have no idea why you would have a problem with that?
    If that is the only option left for saving lives and preserving safety and freedom (and that was the context) then by all means do it.
    I think the 'In the name of the Lord' is phrased wrong but that is the type of style we expect from Americans.
    I think I would be disappointed if they did not speak that way.

    But Yeah.. Falwell is not that bad at all and Robertson is gone kooky in his old age but he is no big threat to anyone or anything.
    People are deliberately making gross exaggerations about these people as part of an antichristian rhetoric.
    Nice try but Robertson is hardly 'Evil' and Falwell is not exactly some sort of social menace.
    Niether is Clinton if you want to turn it around.
    We need to reserve words like 'dangerous' for people who really are - like say, Stalin or Mao or Saddam.
    Otherwise what do you call these people - SuperEvilDangerousinsane.
    Overtired.
    Night.

    ps.. you suck balls.
     
  17. StonerBill

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    unfortunately youre still hindered by the preconception that what YOU percieve as the real world must inevitably be real.

    the main reason this post is unintelligent and ignorant is because most atheist beliefs atre actually much more complex than those of christian and similar. how is everything that is plain and simple in the world merely an illusion, yet a magical force constructing everything with a brilliant plan is the single truth?


    sorry for not reading any posts bar the first
     
  18. I'm glad erasmus has been knocked off of his pedestal and backed into a corner. Erasmus Please take the words of others in this forum as a reality check: The secular world sees you as a joke. Face it, you are Ned Flander's and O'brien's (from 1984, remember, 2 + 2 = 5) love child.

    I was brought up in the Catholic Church, after which I became an Athiest, then after becoming depressed I was born again and attended pentecostal church for 5 years. I quit that because I wanted to drink and have sex and sleep in on sunday mornings AMEN TO THAT!, and since then I have looked into buddhism, animism, quantum physics and existentialism as well as many other things.

    Looking back, I have nothing against any of these religions, and as far as i see they are valuable to gaining wisdom, happiness and kindness, but not fundamental.

    But in any doctrine there is one kind of person that I feel prejudiced towards and to be honest, very afraid of: the excessive, propaganda spewing fundamentalist, cough cough erasmus cough.

    These people are aggressive, they even distort the laws of their own religions to suit their own needs, or individual views, and this can mean to gain money.
    They often liken every other doctrine but their own to the regimes of some of the most corrupt, misguided and cruel dictators in history, ie. Stalin, whilst completely remaining ignorant to the sins of people wielding their own religion. Do christians which label evolution as a doctrine of death recognise the genocide of pagans and jews in the middle ages, or the genocide of muslisms by serbian orthodox christians in the 90s.
    These people make jokes of their own religion and have little grasp on what the rest of the world (including people who wish to follow the same religion with moderation and love) think of them.

    This is not a label that I will apply freely and without much observation. I don't wish to establish some sort of stereotype. I just think religion could and should play a better part in our lives.
     
  19. Erasmus70

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    Rightttt.. and this was a little dream you had I suppose.
    Back to reality and oh no.. im still king shit of fuck mountain.

    Seriously, I have probably logged more hours in the secular world this week than you did all year.

    Yes, I read 1984 back in when it was about the future and its about an Atheist state in which there is no 'objective truth'.
    Kinda the freaking opposite of a Christians world view in case you were wondering.

    Its like going from bad to worse to weirdest for you eh.
    Just kidding.. Catholicism is alright in my books if you take it with a sense of humour.

    Well you certainly could have done all those things while you were a member but I credit you with being honest to the organisation and yourself when you decided you did not want to participate sincerely anymore.
    Seriously.. i do respect the honesty there.

    Nothing wrong with looking into anything. I read Kierkgaard and once looked at the 'Animism' forum by accident. Quantum Physics is interesting too.

    I guess not?
    Yes?

    Its the new acceptable form of hate and intolerance. Anything is to be tolerated and valid except anyone who really really believes in what they are doing - in which case that is unacceptable.

    Incidently I am not even neaaaar what you would call a fundamentalist although I dont necessarily have anything against people who are.
    Unlike you - I have actually respect (if not agree) with people who actually believe with conviction.

    Ok.. again you are just including liars, cheats, antichristians and frauds as being the same as 'Fundamentalists' and this is really sad.
    And 'Black People' are always stealing Cars too?

    Im not sure where you think you are going with that but Stalin was all about the Godlessness and so was Mao and Saddam was a big admire of Stalin (if not an Atheist) so I dont really know what you are getting at.

    Evolutionism is not the 'Doctrine of Death' and quite frankly you could believe in Evolutionism (why would you?) but you can and still be a Christian all you want. It wouldnt really change anything as far as human civilisation and you still have inherint sin, law and grace and a Savior and so on.

    I think its pretty sad you will play with unchristian atrocities 'as if' they are anything but.
    If you really want to make a 'Scale' then Christianity would blow the doors off your brain in terms of the overall freedom, peace and astonishing charity and social contributions it produces.
    It would be like a Billion to One.

    Damm those fuckin true believers to hell?

    So what your saying is that you do not tolerate people who actually believe the Bible is the Word of God.
    They are part of murder, cruelty, evil and are 'scary' and a threat to all that is good.
    You do tolerate those who 'sorta believe it but not really'.

    Interesting.
     
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