insanely scary mushroom trip

So in other words.... wait a minute there are no other words to convey what you said because what you said is meaningless blabber.

and you never did answer Archemetis' question. Do you know anything about how the nervous system works?
Because whether or not it fit's into your philosophy, everything you experience and do is filtered and interpreted by your nervous system. So do you know anything about how it functions or are you going to blow off the question with more verbose language that doesn't say a thing?

 

Oh great, I was wondering when you were going to go on the attack again PB. You're really on a roll with Desos, I figured it was just a matter of time before you came to find me.

Charming.
Do you summarize everything you don't understand as "meaningless blabber", or just when the content in question comes from a previously identified antagonist?

And yet Archemetis seemed satisfied with my answer by moving onto new questions.
But to meet your apparent burning needs - I'm somewhat familiar with the nervous system. I have a working understanding of it. I'm also not a reductionist and do not believe the nervous system offers a complete point of reference to perception, imagination, existence, or anything, really.

 

didn't realize I was "attacking" Desos, he asked some questions in a couple of posts and I replied with my answers. No attacking involved. In one recent post Mr. Writer layed into him considerably more than I did. Is he also an "attacker"?

I don't view you as an antagonist. Honestly what you posted that I referred to really didn't say anything at all concrete;

"in our totality we are nothing more than the end result of an influence of a larger totality being projected onto a very small part of itself."

What the hell is that supposed to mean? It's not that I don't understand shit like that, quite the opposite, that's why I say that sentence is pretty empty of actual meaning or information.
Could you elucidate on your intent and thought so that it makes more sense?
Give me an example, a metaphor or something that helps illustrate the very, very vague meaning you say is contained within that sentence.
Maybe you get annoyed at me because I don't just nod my head and say
"wow that is so deep man" but rather I say what the fuck, could you eleborate.
What do you mean by our totality?
What is this larger totality you speak of?

Sorry I don't just simply accept stuff, I want to know the how, why, and where of things.

As far as attacking you, don't mean it as such. If you are going to participate in the madness that is public internet forums you need to have a little thicker skin my friend. :cheers2:

 

No one asserted that the nervous system offers a complete picture of the nervous system, but given the connectedness of everything, wouldn't any change regarding perception correlate to neurological changes even if part of the change was non physical or in another "dimension"?

 

fuck skipping

thought loops are insane i only get them once in a while but i have never had my reality skip on me like that

my thoughts were just flowing and words would just come up in my mind and they would all ryhme while this was happening, it was very annoying i couldnt control my thought process

 

Haha...honestly...your trip sounds kind of fun to me.
There are countless factors that affect your thought process. Are you ever really in control of it?

 

Priceless.

 

shit like that gets old quick---even some Prankster kept thorizine on hand--in case shit went bad----thats where i got the idea for killing trips the same place i read about tripping

 

Once you get to know me better you may find out that I'm not a very concrete person. I've always thought in images and it's a strain to try to express myself with words.
What I was saying is that 100% of a person is nothing more than a conglomeration of influences of things bigger than themselves.

No, I get annoyed with you because I sometimes feel that you expect me to express myself in accordance with what you personally deem "acceptable".

Whatever the summation of a person is.

The summation of everything outside a specific individual.

I do not expect nor desire anyone to just "simply accept stuff".
I don't mind your questions, I just feel that sometimes they are delivered with an air of negativity, that is all.

 

When the nervous system was first brought up in the context of this discussion, it seemed to me that the contributor was offering it as a definitive explanation.
Whether that is what he intended or not is certainly ambiguous and subject to perception, but for the sake of clarifying my standpoint I went ahead and offered my view on using the nervous system as an end-all explanation to metaphysical phenomenon.
I do believe in a holistic existence, and I do agree with you that any change noticed on a mental, emotional, and spiritual level would also be witnessed on a physical level.

 

What do you mean you strain to express yourself in words?
That was a very concise, informative and understandable response and I know pretty accurately what you mean.

I have always excelled in expressing myself verbally, maybe thats why my posts tend to be so long-winded I guess I assume or rather wish more people could communicate more effectively with the written word.
You could say I'm a little ego-centric in that respect.

 

It takes a lot of energy for me to focus and try to transmute the pictures in my head into words. Sometimes it comes out coherent, sometimes not. I wish I could just instantly draw a series of pictures to communicate instead!

Well, it's a rare trait to say the least.

 

I've had a similar experience on shrooms, which was also my worst trip. It felt like my soul had died and been replaced with a huge, yawning black hole and it was the worst pain I've ever felt. Got naked and rolled around on the ground for a few hours. :O

Regarding free will, I agree with neo. Free will is an illusion. You can add new neural networks to your mind and you can literally create yourself as a person by "choosing" to change who you are over time, but all of that is simply a reaction to an action that was ultimately predictable. You can read these words and think "I'm going to lift my hand, and choose to lift it, and it was my choice because I have free will", but it is only be the result of an electric and chemical reaction that was caused by what you saw on the computer screen, and ultimately predictable. We operate within given sets of parameters. It's nothing to be afraid of.

 

yea i totally understand what neodude is saying, i have all these complex visual images in my mind and i often perform a 'visual logic' which is extremely difficult to convey in the realm of verbal communication

 

Everyone thinks visually. Thought is a process that transcends language, therefore it can only essentially be visual. As we learn language we begin to be able to translate the visual into the spoken. It may not seem that way because the more you use language the more innate and automatic the translation between written or spoken and visual.

Like riding a bike, the more you do it the more it becomes a process that doesn't require conscious effort.

The best way to become better at communicating verbally, whether spoken or written is to read,read,read. If you increase your vocabulary you will increase the repository of language available to use in conveying the visual thought. A limited vocabulary is the biggest obstacle to effective verbal communication, barring any neurological deficits.
One other thing I notice a lot, and this is an indictment of educational systems today, is that a lot of people tend to write like they speak. Written communication is very different than spoken, at least for English. Often something written with the same grammar, structure and syntax as the spoken word conveys a different meaning then it would if written correctly.

I also notice that a lot of people tend to read what they "think" is on the page rather than what the actual words are. I was recently in a meeting with about 18 people and a women was reading something to the group. She transposed two words and gave the paragraph the exact opposite meaning than what was actually written. I pointed that out, and out of 18 people only myself and one other person noticed her error or that it completely changed the intent and meaning of what she read.

Any time I'm on a psychedelic journey, my thoughts are always played out as visual plays or movies, very rarely as words. It is that transcendent ineffable aspect to psychedelics that make it so hard to convey the experience to others. It occurs at a psychic level below language. At least in my experience.

See, there I go again, long-winded old fart that I am.

 

yeah just remember all are different--hell i taught in college---but you know im a drug addict and a year ago last august i OD'd coma had to relearn to walk and talk---now im walking--somtimes with a cane --talk fine but having to relearn spelling and grammer rules--its definatly frustrating for me having difficulties expressing myself in writing--cas i know where i came from---but i always enjoy your posts and sometimes want to debate but i know it wouldnt come out as intelligently as the thoughts so bear with me and maybe next year---Peace

 

Sorry to hear that, and glad your on the road to recovering your faculties.
The brain is an amazing organ , just keep exercising it and new areas will replace those damaged. Could you have possibly suffered a stroke as a consequence of the OD?

Thanks for your kind words, us old farts have to stick together or these kids are going to have us for breakfast.

 

on the other hand there are times when i have such a vast multitude of things to say about a visual thought that i dont even know where to begin.

 

@OP: This has happened to me several times, first time it freaked me out. During the course of it I thought I was dead and had never been alive in the first place.

It was strange though, the first time I experienced it there was only one skip. One pulse for the universe, like I said, I had never imagined anything like it before. The second time, there was four skips to the rotation. Then, the third time there was three skips, etc, etc.

What helped me with the situation was learning to enjoy it. Learning to appreciate being out of my mind was somewhat comforting to me.