Indigo Adults Unite

I think it's fair to say that people behave how they behave, speak like they speak ... but where is it coming from ... mind/thought or spirit? Spirit knows it's oneness and if a human being is connected with that dimension in themselves there is a tendency to peace and diplomacy about their speech and actions rather than demand and force, yet even with a connection with that dimension the mind and thinking still exists and can still be predominant at times, however long or short.
On the webpage that LizardKing posted a link to there was mention of 'spiritedness' ..and i understood their intention of this word as meaning more towards 'untamed' or 'unbridled', that kind of free 'wild' spiritedess, and there's nothing 'wrong' with that in itself, ... i'm sure many of us have experienced the positive side of that 'spiritedness'... but is too often used as an excuse for behaving how you want and fuck what anyone else thinks, or how it affects others ...which is separative and exclusive. The ego 'can' take this word and use it for it's own purpose. I'm sure when the first crusade fell on Jurusalem and slaughtered everyone ...christians included, that they were intoxicated with unbridled spiritedness, yet what they lacked was an actual connection to spirit. Ok it's probably the ultimate of extreme examples but demonstrates at least to myself the difference between 'spiritedness' and 'spiritedness' ... the mind knows it one way, the heart another, and it seems the predominance of thought and a forgetting of our actual oneness in spirit that has caused all the problems we now face in the world.

You're right, there are no patterns, no rules, but real? - What definition of real? With a connection to our spiritual dimension of oneness ... where we are actually the same thing (not just 'connected or related') there is a tendency where our thoughts and actions correlate to that dimension ... where we know ourselves to be not separate, so that manifests as an inclusiveness, a friendlyness, a helpfulness, an equalness. And so in this physical world/dimension, yes differences of opinion and conflict arise. Sure we can stand up and say our piece, demonstrate and protest and even in extreme circumstances fight in defence ... yet we do it without true hate for the other and a self rightous satisfaction.

Remember the series 'kung fu' with David Carradine in the 70's? Boy! He just hated killing and crippling people didn't he. It was a real chore for him wasn't it. And i remember an interview with him on TV once, talking about the discipline of kung fu where he sais "... and by the time you learn to kill someone with your little finger, you don't want to."

 

I think it's easy to mistake outer action with the inner state. Like those Zen masters.... they are serene.... as they hit you with their sticks. I like to keep an open mind and not assume that inner peace shows up in a particular way. I think if we pay attention we can feel the energy that's beneath the outer form.

Yep, very true. It's easy to become delusional. The ego is very clever, and subtle.

I guess it's a matter of depth. You could say we become more real the more we dwell in or come from deeper realms of ourselves, whereby there is increasingly less distinction between "me" and "you". As a figure of speech we say someone isn't real when there's a heavy identification with mind forms. But it's not black or white, yes or no, more like a spectrum.

Yes.

Yeah I remember, used to enjoy watching it sometimes.

 

I'd love to watch it again, it was kinda funny the way he'd be enjoying some flowery meadow or chopping wood for some old lady and then these cowboys would come and pick on him like "Hey stupid chinese man! We don't like you cause you're different!" and he'd be like (with a grimace on his face) "Uh Oh, i really don't want to but i'm just gonna have to break all your bones." And then of course he'd have to leave town and move on. Poor guy! It was an endless cycle of help lady/break bones/move on. In fact, if you'd seen one episode you'd seen them all.

 

You just made all the sense in the world. Seriously.

"Identifying with those tendencies, however, is nothing more than a sophisticated ego trip"

I understand that sentence so well, it makes perfect sense. Thank you.

 

Hahaha! Seems to share some similarities with the Incredible Hulk series too, don't you think?

 

Hehe, yep ...and 'The littlest hobo' except bones were chewed instead of broken, and instead of getting angry just barked a few times before dragging a kid away from oil drums or gas leaks that were about to ignite, and of course ... moving on. Always moving on ... down the road ... to another place ... somewhere else ... different town ...different kid .... slightly different oil drums ... moving on

 

Wow...Yeal, after all these months...

Why?

Because of the ego...isn't it?

Isn't it?

Because Nobody should believe they're So Special - should they...

There is a point where everybody says, "Yes, that's it and were all together Amen," but that point has not yet been attained...

Well I dunno nuthin'...'s'not my problem maing.

LOL forever

 

in one way we're all special...but in another, we ain't shit.

 

The truth is. Some people do have indigo or crystal auras on them.

I think the indigo children and much of the words associated with it is completely retarded. By this I don't agree with the 'indigo' thing, I don't agree with what you would find when you type indigo children into google.

Alot of people seem to think people who believe in this notion just read some site and 'symptoms' list. No, you can actually see it on some people. There are notable similarities among these people.

 

The heart center is where the real magic takes place in my opinion.

I agree with the sentiments ...ultimately we are nothing, i don't really wish death on people but there's nothing like dying to get rid of all these notions people have about themselves, ... it's the great leveller and common denominator ... the pride falls away, replaced by humility. There's a reason pride is considered the greatest of sins, and in my opinion it's because it's really the only thing that separates.

 

Bingo. To be proud, you need to (1) be self-conscious, and (2) see yourself as an entity separate from everyone and everything else.

But whatever. Some Zen master or other said, "Be thankful for the weeds you find in your mind, because eventually they will enrich your practice." So even pride and its offshoots can serve a purpose in spiritual growth.

That's why I try to feel proud every damned chance I get.

 

I think you'd like those Adyashanti clips i've been posting ... he's a zen guy y'know.

Did anyone watch that feature film about the life of Rasputin? ... i think it was called simply 'Rasputin' i forget. There was a good bit where a very pious and chaste woman calls on him one day ...she sees him as a holy man and considers herself holy (like him) also. He sais to her something like "Pride is the greatest of sins, and the greatest sin of pride is chastity." ... and proceeds to rape her ... to humiliate her so to speak and break her pride. Also saying something like "To repent we first need to sin." or something like that. - Of course i'm not advocating rape as a form of humiliation, indeed i see that no concious and aware person would do such similar things, those were pretty barbaric times.

...and onto something relevant from Eckhart:

Why have most religions condemned or denied the body? It seems that spiritual seekers have always regarded the body as a hindrance or even as sinful.
- Why have so few seekers become finders?


... well i'll carry on with this tomorrow cause i need to sleep, but i must say that writing these things is very relevant to me and my own self conciousness and pride and sexual shame, guilt and in a sense, denial (not so mutch anymore but these are issues i still need to put to rest). And a certain couple of clues in my childhood tell me the origins of this come from some other/past life .. so it's a tricky one for me.

But relevant to the thread as i see it, simply spiritual pride....

 

Barbaric, yes.

There's a story of a Zen monk who made a mistake when he was supposed to be ringing a gong, because he was distracted by a beautiful woman walking by. The Zen master hit the monk so hard he killed him. Then the master went on as if nothing had happened, and acted as if the monk was still alive and participating in the events of the monastery. The remaining monks suddenly started experiencing enlightenment in droves.

How would we know if they did? Would they podcast it? Write a book? Walk through the streets shouting it out?

Seems to me that a LOT of seekers became finders, and they are here among us.

 

Aye, that's a good point.

Hey that's a shocking story, i don't think i like those old zen masters ... whatever happened to compassion? And why did the master hit him anyway? ...what was the point? The intended teaching? - 'If you get distracted by women you get hit to death by a zen master?'

 

How would I know? Am I enlightened?

In those days when a master took on a new student, the student became completely bound to that master. The student basically said, "My life is in your hands."

Actually that's what I telepathically told the woman who was my first spirit guide. I said, "Do whatever it takes to bring me to enlightenment."

Receiving physical blows from a master was quite common for centuries of Zen practice. It was used to focus the students' attention. It's still used in sesshin - a monk walks among the people who are sitting in hours-long meditation, and strikes their shoulders with a stick to remind them to stay focused.

So maybe the master in this story got carried away? I dunno. The crux of the story for me is that he used the situation to show that death is an illusion, and as a result of him living that truth before their eyes, a great many of his students became enlightened.

My spirit guides have done things to me that seemed quite cruel, and put me through years of hell. They've put me through humiliations. Right now my current spirit guide Deanna is refusing to acknowledge that she has ever given me any outward signs of affection - and of course, she only gave me those signs when there was nobody around to witness. Why? To break my pride, maybe? To cure me of emotional codependence, possibly?

But of course, we do not condone the use of rape and murder to achieve spiritual goals.

We leave that to God...

 

I think i'll answer in a PM zen. But what is the job of a master? ... to bring the acolyte to their own state of being and knowing ... by whatever means works,.. it seems.

 

Each of us is a distinct and unique set of experiences and worldviews.

I read your PM, LL - I'll say more when I can get the online time, but for now, just this thought: You need to talk to her, buddy.

And this: She can't attack what doesn't exist, can she?

So many times, I felt the attacks, and I just let them wash over me like the waves on the shore, washing over me but not moving me...

It's a state of consciousness, liquidlight. One that I have occasionally been capable of achieving - one that you're being taught to achieve as well.

 

Oh it's not so mutch actual attacks, just vibes ... hostility, she's good at that but it's been a long time. Last time i talked to her (13 years ago) she threatened to have my legs broken ... i knew it was just a threat, a bluff, wishful thinking but that was the moment i knew i had to give her up, that she was acting totally irrationally ...insane behaviour. On the one hand she mirrored my spirit but on the other (in this instance) she mirrored my self punishing ego... and i'm past punishing myself. Life treats you as you treat yourself, or rather "As you believe so shall it be unto you." It's kind of the difference between spirit and earthly personality... mind. They were very hard times for us both. ... something my spiritual shamanic councellor said a long time ago ... that "Her real power was stolen from her when she was little." ...something i sadly already knew, and also that she is my teacher but a part of me too. Yet that 'power' cannot be stolen ... just covered up.

I bought another Eckhart book the other day, 'Stillness speaks' and have just read a little paragraph that i came to learn so well back then, the main thing that enabled me to understand and forgive, both her and myself ... something she didn't understand in her mind, and something she perhaps once knew but had forgotten, yet her spirit knew. It's something everyone should know:

"If her past were your past, her pain your pain, her level of conciousness your level of conciousness, you would think and act exactly as she does. With this realisation comes forgivness, compassion and peace."

... when we met, she said 'save me!', and although i'm not perfect and made mistakes, in the sense of realising the essence of that paragraph, perhaps i did save her ... i think we can all save eachother in knowing this. It's a truth that can free everyone and allow love to flow again.
Sometimes i see that as mutch as she was/is my teacher ... i am also hers. Eckhart has said many times that there is only one master and i think i know how he means that ... it's just the spirit/life we all are.


Actually i'm gonna make that paragraph my sig' so everyone can read it ... it's powerful.

 

I relate to this so so completely.

My Deanna - I think, I believe - is in a similar life circumstance that she so far has not revealed outwardly to me - see, liquidlight, it seems to me that there is a strong parallel between your experience and mine.

When I was in high school, I had girlfriend who had been sexually abused by her father and had had an abortion after sexual relations with a previous boyfriend...and I knew about the abortion, through the grapevine, before we ever dated, and I imagined what a relationship between us might be like - and then she asked ME out on a date, and we became a couple...and months later my idle imaginings became reality as we sat together in the field of my junior high school and she told me about her abortion and her hard experiences...and I told her I already knew about these things a long time before, and loved her anyway. And she received a degree of salvation from me that day, and some peace.

So you see, liquidlight, why I believe you and I have some commonalities of experience to sort out with each other, possibly...

 

Deleted this post - not really where I want to go with this conversation.