Indian Supreme Court considering online porn ban

i agree with the ban. for those of us who have children, nephews, neices, aunts, uncles, mothers and fathers, sons and daughters. this is a must. pass that sucker eh? ;o)

love,
norahstar

 

If you are so against it that you are willing to blindly support something as vague as a ban on internet porn, you have to consider that by certain definitions even the written word can be considered pornography. Not to mention how easy this type of restriction would be to bypass .

 

The thing is that porn is very difficult to define. There's the old saying, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it," but to certain people, different things are porn. For example, nude portraits and statues. Sex scenes in movies. Descriptions of sexual acts. Some people would define those as pornography.

Those could very easily be taken away by a porn ban. You can say goodbye to a lot of Renaissance art under such a law, because there's a lot of nudity in Renaissance art. There's also a surprising amount of depictions of rape in Renaissance art, for the record.

This is why people should be against a porn ban. It could very easily destroy artistic freedom.

 

and the ones who make those decision usually have the dirtiest minds and see sex in just about everything.

 

You and the others in this thread who agree with this ban, are acknowledging then that your opinion on what should be done about this crisis is based on a purely emotional reaction to protect loved ones without looking at better more easily and realistically enforced responses.

Not all porn is violent, some have romantic and gentle tones, some things will be considered porn but they are instead artwork that happens to feature some nudity some of those pieces of art being 1000's of years old.

No, the problem is in India's culture as I've stated in my last post, and the only way you are going to change that is through education campaigns to respect females.

The other aspect is corruption at the political level by individuals (mostly men) who are sexist.

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I continue to say tax porn sales in India, use those funds for victims, education against sexist sterotypes, and to support the poor who are most likely to be exploited in the sex trade.

Toughen laws on sexual assaults and rape as well.

Can't you admit this seems like a more practical effective response than an all out ban?

Who else agrees with my posts?

 

I agree 100%. The heart of the problem in India and many nations in that region is a lack of educational opportunities for girls, largely due to the caste system.
The problem is the utter contempt some of these cultures hold for women, until that is addressed, the questions of porn, rape, children used in the sex trade, etc. will go unanswered and continue unchecked.

When we are talking about regions of the world where if a woman is raped there is a good chance SHE will be accused of adultery and be killed, it is very naive to think pornography is the cause and culprit.

Which still leads me to question Resistance's recent "conversion" to a religion that sanctions abuse of women and children and her epiphany concerning porn.
It just doesn't make a fucking bit of sense, and any of you that support her decisions without asking WTF???? just aren't paying attention.

That is like James Brady's family going to work for Smith & Wesson, just don't fucking make sense.

 

This isn't about banning porn, this is about controlling the flow of information.

Once you could censor porn, anything could follow...

 

I can accept heavy regulation of the porn industry. (Licensing of performers and producers.. The distribution confined to actual physical offline stores and theaters.. All porn is produced is confined to its local physical geographic area)

But not imposing a porn specific tax.
Doing this causes a conflict of interest within the government that's supposed to be protecting the public good and women from abuse. If it's taxed than the government has an invested interest in selling more porn to make more money. If we allowed any government to tax porn, we would see very quickly similar sort of problem like we have with governments protecting cigarette producers.


Regardless of what the content or plot of a porn film, it's abuse against women...
Because porn educates men that women are for sale

To make a porn a woman has to sell herself. (IE: Prostitute herself)
A woman will prostitute herself for many reasons but all of them boil down to society Not providing the needed tools we need. (Affordable child care, re-education, etc)

However porn prostitution unlike traditional prostitution, the *deal* isn't done in private. In private the woman preserves a sense of dignity and for all purposes when the act is finished.. It's finished ! Both parties can continue on with their lives.

But in porn the exploitation goes far beyond the actual sex act. It's sold.. uploaded... pirated... comped.. etc for years and years to come. (current estimates is that 1 porn scene equals 10 different videos)

Each person that watches the porn is by defacto a participant in the purchased sex act. It's here that women are reduced to that of nothing but an object.

In today's day and age the abuse is extreme. Because of the Internet a woman has almost no chance to completely walk away from her act of porn prostitution and it's dumped directly into everyone's home. In many ways today a woman that's done porn becomes forever obligated to be looking over her shoulder.

Now if you want to see the effect of porn on men. Just read over the comment in this topic. The majority of the pro-porn camp are simply men that are thinking only about their own cravings. All of them are claiming to have a right to view it by offering pseudo arguments about free speech... While none of them have stopped to consider the rights of women, preferring to pass the buck when the issue is raised with more pseudo arguments about social reform and education.

 

If you feel that way then why did you participate in porn? Or does your feelings directly relate to your recent change of Religious views? When you were in porn did you feel degraded? Why did you willingly sell yourself as a sex object?

 

And here we see the real reason for her argument: realizing that her porn is out there. Maybe it felt easy and harmless at the time, but now she subscribes to a religion that would gladly kill her for it, and defaults to a "ban it" position.

It is not the government's job to help women, it's the government's job to help it's people. All of them and equally.

And the rest of her post is just ad hominem attacks and off-hand dismissal of her critics, and facts of porn that people doing porn are fully aware of at the time, as though it supports her position.

 

The idea that all porn is against women is absurd. What about porn that only features men? Is that against women? Or what about porn where a woman dominates and degrades a man? Is that anti-woman as well?

And the argument that none of the pro-porn camp considers the rights of women is fairly hypocritical. What about your argument that porn should be banned? That's taking the option to make porn off the table for women, isn't it? That's denying someone of a right, isn't it? So, do women not have the right to sell their bodies and sexualities to make porn? Who are you to tell someone that they don't have the right to use their body in whatever way they please?

Are you listening to yourself?

 

"brutal gang-bang"
- when has a gang-bang ever not been brutal??

 

It's not brutal when the girl's a consenting participant and enjoying herself.

Which is something that the anti-porn crusaders can't seem to wrap their heads around. Some women have very strong sex drives and want to do stuff like that. Some of them are exhibitionists who want to do stuff like that on camera, and a lot of them want to get paid to do it. There's a market for this, and companies are willing and able to pay women to get screwed by seven guys at once. Seven guys have orgasms, one woman gets paid, people buy the DVD and have their own orgasms. Everybody wins in this scenario.

But, no. That woman was clearly unfairly coerced into it by the male patriarchal conspiracy because the religious right and a decent sized chunk of feminists seem to be convinced that most women are stupid and easily tricked, and have no sex drives, but are merely convinced that they have them by the big, scary patriarchy.

 

OMG, in a virtual Dead Sea of wishy-washy super lefties, up surfaces a post with a brain.

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Edit: Isn't it amusing how feminists and the religious right have suddenly become straaange bedfellows?

 

Feminism also likes the patriarchy.......... they benefit heavily from it's chivalry.

I'm as left as they come, and I dunno what your talking about..... OP is a theocratic fascist arguing against freedom, and showing (very quickly) the true (fucked up) stripes of islam, and the kind of thought it promotes.

 

That's the beauty of finding common ground amongst people with radically different views. It's a chance to come together and see eye to eye...

...Until there's another argument that puts those two views on opposite sides, when they just end up at each other's throats again.

 

So for clarification's sake Resistence...is this thread specifically about India's policy on porn or the OVERALL debate about porn globally speaking?

Because up until now all my posts were made within the context of India alone, given this thread's title mentioning the country itself in light of recent news there about the subjects of sex crimes.

 

its funny that most of the people I know who are involved in porn or erotica are women and some of the most empowered women your likely to meet. dworkins was a anti men anti sex lesbian not one of my favourite people .
tuppy owens whose a lovely lady on the anti sex feminists
http://moronwatch.net/2013/05/tuppy-owens-i-was-censored-by-feminists.html

anyway try banning porn people have tried for centurys good luck with that wont work not with new technology,

 

I worked a event last friday and we had women with at least 7 men that I saw that was early in the evening wasnt being filmed just for the fun of the people taking part, the women involved did some work at the event but bought a ticket shes not unusual .

so she comes on her own pays to be there and fucks multiply men at the same time, this doesnt sound to me like someone forced to take part in a gang bang. We even had women coming from other countrys again on their own or more often in pairs to have sex with multiple men and these by the way were very attractive sexy women .

About the first thing a women said to me when I worked the event was one man is never enough,

 

I have a good friend who used to be a high end escort, and she's one of the most intelligent, self confident and empowered women I know. She never did porn, but the mere mention of the idea of banning it sends her into a tirade about the religious right and anti-porn feminism repressing society's sexuality, and how it will just end up hurting women, and anyone who performs in a porn movie for that matter, by driving pornography underground and into the hands of organized crime, which doesn't care at all about the safety and health of the performers.

She says that keeping porn legal is keeping it safe for the people involved, and I agree with her 100%.