Indian Supreme Court considering online porn ban

nevermind

 

Resistance isn't futile

I would imagine, like a lot of thing we take as 'normal' and 'mainstream' - due to it creeping up on us - porn was thrust upon Indian society in a very short space of time.
So instead of it being well run and above board - it is seedy and involves poor people being exploited for virtually nothing.
I could be wrong.
The only thing I disagree with (in your last post) is the: 'If it saves one child' argument.
It is impossible to know if that would be true.
It also feels like a rather simplistic solution to a very complex issue.
It's the government seemingly doing something - but not actually doing anything at all (granted, at the behest of the people).
Perhaps they need to take a look at the sex industry in India - that's perhaps where the biggest results may be.

 

I was going to say that I thought that perhaps Indian men's attitudes on the whole are a lot more backwards that our own here, and their relationship with porn is a lot different than our own as a consequence. Ok, now I've said it.

 

We can only speculate what they're looking at or studying at this moment in India. Afterall I'm sure we're getting a simplified media version of the actual events. But I do agree with you that culture does play a big factor in this. Here in England we still tend to be a little on the prime side of things. But still someone would have to be foolish to not see that things are changing here too. (albeit in a very British way.) I'm sure in a nation like america the effects society's pornification are much more profound and institutionalised.

Now as for the actions against the porn industry I'm not certain we can do anything but a simplistic solution. Now I admit that only recently stop catting around. Sure it was no where on the scale of paris hilton but I do have a bit of history and knew a character or two so to speak.

Based on what I've seen is the porn industry adapts very quickly. And the stuff that can be accessed today is nothing like what our grandparents watched. In addition to blokes filming their girlfriends and posting it online without permission or as revenge... .. There's also nothing to stop under aged porn being posted.

In these cases that adds up to misogyny and abuse. I can only imagine what some people are quietly passing around using online file storage. And the porn industry doesn't give a toss as long as they make their money.

So would it save the life of another gang rape vicitim if we got rid of porn? Well I say let's remove it from the current equation and see how things develop.

 

maybe the men in India rape because their porn selection sucks..

 

In ways, it is.

Lets say a couple decides to tape themselves fucking/making love and decides to put it up on the web for show (free or pay). Why should they be penalized for how the mainstream porn industry produces and markets itself? And that's before getting into how you're generalizing the industry. Considering there's so many different kinds of porn out nowadays, other than the male power fantasy porn, that doesn't typically fit into the little narrative you're trying to push.

 

No freedom is doing the right thing without fearing other people.

This is not generalizing when it's pointed out that this is a male a dominated industry that earns it's money on the sexual exploitation of women. It doesn't matter what type of porn someone creates or who creates it because in the over whelming majority of circumstances it's the man that initiates the creation of the material. And almost all porn is created with the objective of feeding into man's sexual ego.

Certainly there's a small niche of feminist pornographers and even if I conceed on this point. I must ask how many of them are there compared to the men? And how many of them find themselves having to play the male political game in order to get distribution? All of the DVD distribtors are again male dominated porn companies and adopting a tube site model doesn't work either. Because there are no feminist or art house tube sites.

No I'm still in favor of banning porn.

 

1 - that's not what the word freedom means

2 - are you actually familiar with the porn industry in india, or are you just making assumptions?

 

And I'm Still In Favour Of Banning You...



Cheers Glen.

 

How come nobody has suggested educating men NOT to RAPE?
You can't and won't stop people form making videos either. Are you against the couple making a video in their bedroom? Are you against the director, script writer, and actors when they are all consenting adults and everyone involved is supportive?

 

Reistsance isn't Futile, as a woman I of course support women's rights like anyone and I believe rape to be one of the worst crimes anyone can commit.
But banning speech? art? videos? really? It's not possible, it's not feasible, it's not right, and it's not fair. Just as you can't tell me what I can and can't paint, you also can't tell me what to videotape.

 

Oh Gawd, so its the same old story then, a reformed ***. So you've reached an age where guys arent chasing anymore....so now lets try anf control every possible source they might get arousal from, then they'll be forced to pay attention to you again.


The problems in India are far more entrenched than just the rise of the internet, at the same time you claim a correlation between gang rapes and porn , it has also become a lot easier to get the information out there. That is, same shits thats been going on for centuries is still going on, just now its a lot easier to tell the rest of the world about it

Most of the cases are in Uttah Pradesh or rural areas or 'lower class' girls from rural areas getting picked on.

Complex set of issues including:

1. Other chics themselves, Mothers rasing their sons with an obnoxious sense of entitlement. Parents, Mothers included, helping kill the victims to cover up evidence

2. Parents preferring male children, aborting females, leading to too many males

3. A corrupt police force and judiciary no one trusts.

4. This stupid class system

5. A big change in ecomomics over the last couple of decades, a much bigger middle class, so an even bigger class divide

And you are talking about a country where there are up to a million Eunichs running around, little dudes that get their bits cut off so they can grow up to be spare girls, add to that child slavery, child prostitution

You want us to believe you have a genuine concern for the welfare of what is mainly kids, boys as well as girls in India, tackle that.

You expect us to believe that stopping guys around you from watching porn has anything to do with that and is not self serving?

 

These are the same old tired arguments that people drag out all the time. So of course I think men should be educated not to rape and I also believe that we have a legal system that allows men to rape.

Now have you ever taken a good look behind the marketing of just how the porn industry operates? Sure there's some women like Nina Hartley that are in control of her own situation and consequently she's never worked for preditor like Max Hardcore.

But the vast majority of women come to porn because of what can be defined as emotional baggage.

• For some it's to make a fast dollar,
• For some women it's drugs,
• For some it's sexual abuse,
• For some it's to please a spouse looking to make money or fulfill his lusts. (aka the suitcase pimp aka Skeeter Kerkove)

Now this is a different form of rape and perhaps in the opinion of many women myself included... This form of consentement can be a subtle rape that is far more damaging than physical.

As for the current online porn tube industry I need to ask these questions.

Do they demand any kind of legal documentation to prove that all the performers were consenting? - NO! They don't

Do they they demand any kind of legal proof that everyone in the video is a legal age adult? - NO! They don't

Do they have any kind of acceptable controls to prevent children from accessing their sites? - NO! They don't

Therefore form both a perspective of the infringment of women's rights and and form the perspective of the law. The porn industry should be banned.

I have never mentioned banning speech or art. And I'm not saying you can't paint.

What I'm saying is ban the porn industry. If people want to do these things they can find more acceptable methods of distribution.

For even what may be considered by society an ugly woman. It's not hard when you're a woman to attact a man for sex. All any woman needs to do is walk outside and smile at the one that they fancy.

But I'm discussing banning porn not about the relative ease it is to attract masculine attention.

 

I'm with Glen on this one.


Can one of the 3 people who's not on her ignore list ask the op why she supports a site like this where people often promote sexual deviancy?

 

Oh, yeah, that's gonna work.

It's not like men have ever heard that ever. And nobody's ever had that idea, either. The same goes for stealing, murder, etc. Just tell them not to do it, and watch the whole planet turn into a nursery.

Including an obnoxious backwater on a par with the Muslim world such as India.

 

India is Hindu nation and not Muslim.

Perphaps you were thinking of Pakistan??? And yes I agree that violence against women does occur in first world nations like England and the United States

 

C'mon, what are you trying to do, convince them what they see in front of their face everyday isnt true?

Doesnt matter how you try and spin it, how angry you get, still all comes back to you, why do you have to try control them in the first place

 

pretty soon nobody will respond to her threads because she will have put everybody that doesn't agree with her on her ignore list, I think that would only leave.......??
I don't know, does anybody agree with her?

 

According to the National Crime Records Bureau, 24,206 rape cases were registered in India in 2011.
Approximately 85,000 women are raped on average in England and Wales every year.

EU ban: Possibly.
UK ban: wifi spots in public areas, likely

We won't really know if any of that helps or not for atleast two generations.

 

25% - so far.