Income Tax:Right or Wrong?

if you take yourself out of the "System" you dont have to pay them, but you cant have credit cards, bank accounts, cant work a job that pays a payroll check, cant visit emergency rooms or anything where you need license or proof of your existence, cant have a drivers license, and no bills that come to you . And in about 3 to 5 years you are completely out of the "System" and you dont have to pay taxes anymore or have anyone know you even exist for that matter.

My buddy has been doing this for 8 years and after the first 3 he was doing great, but when he had a freak accident and shattered his arm he had to go to the hospital but they wouldnt take him without any proof of who he was so he had to get back into the system for that one day only to be part of it again for the next 4 years and now he is about to drop out again in the near future.

 

i've looked at the henry george system before. you can learn alot from his disciples. what i feel is the key problem with the philosophy is that it all may turn slightly draconian to actually enforce the measures to collect land valuation tax.
the henry george society/societies itself seems to be locked in mortal combat with its self, alot of infighting and legal action going on i believe.
henry george people believe in land taxation appropriate to its value, the more central you are the more tax you pay. though i feel this would remove the rich from the poor than they are already, it would force the poor out to the fringes more so than at present, only the ones able to pay high prices could reside closest to all facilities.
i feel that the henry george ideal would really just become the unacceptable face of user pays policy that already operates.
whilst saying this though i would encourage all free thinkers to get the basics of his ideology though for the most part it is morbidly verbose and strictly unreadable.

 

The thing with Land Valuation Tax is that you cannot hide land. As far a collecting the tax it could be done through the existing PAYE system. A prime example of the unfairness of the present system is the extension of the Jubilee underground line in London. It cost the UK government £3 billion, but collective increase in property prices went up by £13 billion as a direct result.

 

it wouldn't be a problem if money was non-existent...but people find it hard to share things

 

huuuum, just dont know what too say. :sunglasse

 

Never trust the tax man.

 

wrong, www.fairtax.org

 

i think its gone about the wrong ways

though, there certainly are things i think should be paid for by the majority
Parks, roads, police, firemen,etc.

i think the goverment should be shrunken down immesely
and tax cuts should be made, but not cutting down important things, but cutting away superfluous things

 

We need to abolish the income tax and instead have a national sales tax.

You would get to keep all of your income, and pay taxes only when you buy something. Taxing your consumption & not your income.

This way everybody who would otherwise not pay taxes - illegal aliens, organized crime, people who are paid cash under the table, and foriegn tourists, all pay into the system fairly.

And allowing people to keep more money of their own money in their pocket encourages saving, investment, and economic growth across the entire spectrum.

http://www.fairtax.org/


Read it!!!

Here in the State of Florida we have no state income tax, just a sales tax, and we enjoy a surplus every year, have a very healty economy, and one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country. This system would work nationally!

 

holy crap I read every post on this thread and I think for the first time ever I agree with Libertine, both of his posts....

 

There have been lawsuits filed and won or dismissed that have the IRS caught in a bluff on their authority to collect. Ex IRS commissioners have come out against the system as well as many others.
The 16th Amendment was slipped through and possibly never ratified. The Federal Reserve is a private banking institution selling us all out to the greed of the power elite. Our money isn't even worth the paper its printed on. So....the Federal Reserve is neither Federal nor does it have any reserves. All of our money is backed up by debt with the US being the largest debtor nation. When will people raise their voices to injustice....become an activist today, for tomorrow it may be too late.

KILLUMINATI

 

By: Gordon Bishop


The federal income tax, the estate "death" tax and capital gains tax are all unconstitutional, "illegal" taxes.

Why? Because none of these taxes, or "entitlements," can be found anywhere in the Constitution of the United States of America.

That’s right, folks! Our nation’s founders never envisioned these "entitlements" when they wrote the Constitution for a Republic based on freedom, liberty and opportunity for all Americans.

Let’s look at the federal income tax.

In 1913, then Secretary of State Philander Knox "committed fraud" when he declared the 16th Amendment (the income tax) had been "legally ratified" by the states.

It was never "legally ratified" with "evidence to prove it, according to the We The People Foundation for Constitutional Education.

In 1913, there were 38 States in the Union. There is no legal documentation that the majority of the 38 States ratified the 16th Amendment in the exact wording submitted to the States by Secretary of State Philander Knox, according to the People Foundation.

The Foundation put these issues before the White House and Congress on
April 13, 2000 – two days before the filing of federal income taxes on April 15 (Tax Day).

The Foundation challenged the President of the United States, the U.S. Treasurer and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) Commissioner to produce "the evidence" from the 38 States that the 16th Amendment was legally ratified.

Our highest elected and appointed federal officials have failed to produce "the evidence" for the United States Supreme Court, which also refuses to hear the Foundation’s case.

Yes, our government is guilty of extortion of America’s workers through an illegal tax system.

Without the income tax, the federal government would have to shut down.

Conclusion: Failing to produce "the evidence," America’s top fiscal officials are covering up the biggest financial fraud in the history of our nation.




So much for law and order at the highest levels of government.

The Estate or ‘Death’ Tax

A business friend of mine sent a letter to the two U.S. Senators representing his home State of New Jersey. The topic: "Permanent Repeal of the Death Tax."

My friend, who owns supermarkets, informed Senators Frank Lautenberg and Jon Corzine, both liberal Democrats, that 60 percent or more of the assets of a supermarket –the highest of any other industry sector – are not liquid assets, so the death of an owner creates a serious obstacle to continuation of business. The Death Tax requires spending millions of dollars on attorneys, accountants, planners and insurance policies.

The future of small business in America is in the hands of the United States Senate. I hope you and your colleagues do the right thing and protect America’s entrepreneurial spirit so vital to our nation’s economy, especially small businesses, which are the backbone of America’s economic system.

Here’s what Senator Lautenberg responded to my friend’s letter:

"Supports of the estate tax argue that it provides progressivitiy in the federal tax system, provides a backdrop to the individual income tax (which is "illegal") and appropriately targets assets that are bestowed on their heirs rather than assets earned through their hard work and effort. The one-year revenue cost of permanent repeal of the estate (death) tax has been estimated at $48 billion to $58 billion for fiscal year 2012.

"Critics argue that the tax discourages savings, harms small businesses and farms by making it more difficult to pass them on to the next generation, and adds to the complexity of the tax system. However, the effect on savings is uncertain, and most farms and small businesses do not pay the tax. Currently, estates up to $2 million are exempted. By 2009, estates of up to $3.5 million will be completely exempted. Fewer than 1 percent of all farms would be subject to estate tax at that point."

The bottom line is that the federal government will continue taxing small and medium businesses "to death." That’s why it’s called the "Death Tax."

Capital Gains Tax

America has the lowest savings rate of any nation in the industrialized world. Our savings rate is a flat zero!

The reason is simple. Why save your hard-earned money when your government taxes your savings and investments.

The capital gains tax is a double tax. First, you work and get a paycheck. That’s your gross income. Then government imposes the income tax. What you have left is your "net income." That’s what you need to survive: Food, shelter, clothing, education, religious donations, transportation, medical and other necessities.

If you are fortunate enough to have any "net income" left, you can take your spouse out to dinner or movie, or buy presents for your children or grandchildren.

Should you be able to set aside a few dollars for your savings account or investment portfolio (your ‘nest egg’ for retirement), then you really get hit with the capital gains tax.

So you’re paying taxes on both your gross income and your net income.

That’s illegal, simply because it is not in the United States Constitution. It’s an illegal tax imposed by Congress and the Administration and accepted by the United States Supreme Court.

Now you know why America’s savings rate is ZERO. Why save and by wiped out by taxes and double-taxes?

So much for the U.S Constitution – and our freedoms, liberties and opportunities in the so-called "greatest country" the world has ever seen.

Karl Marx, the icon of tax-and-spend liberals/socialists, has won the war against religion and capitalism.

God and the free enterprise system have lost the war.

This is America’s Tax Trap: No Way Out.

 

USA In Decline, great post. Have you seen "America: Freedom to Fascism?"

 

ill check it out thanx

 

Let me tell you
How it will be.
There's one for you,
Nineteen for me,

'Cause I'm the taxman.
Yeah, I'm the taxman.

Should five percent
Appear too small,
Be thankful I don't
Take it all.

'Cause I'm the taxman.
Yeah, I'm the taxman.

If you drive a car,
I'll tax the street.
If you drive to city,
I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold,
I'll tax the heat.
If you take a walk,
I'll tax your feet.

Taxman!

'Cause I'm the taxman.
Yeah, I'm the taxman.

Don't ask me what I want it for,
(Uh-uh, Mr. Wilson.)
If you don't want to pay some more.
(Uh-uh, Mr. Heath.)

'Cause I'm the taxman.
Yeah, I'm the taxman.

And my advice to
Those who die.
(Taxman!)
Declare the pennies
On your eyes.
(Taxman!)

'Cause I'm the taxman.
Yeah, I'm the taxman,
And you're working for no one but me.
(Taxman!)