In you're opinion, which of these drugs causes the most brain damage?

That sums up the whole thread, right there. I would also like to point out that ecstacy, more often than not, contains either coke or heroin. It's been pointed out that heroin has very few detrimental effects on the brain except through withdrawal symptoms, and coke apparently prevents the reuptake of dopamine. So my question is, what are your thoughts on cocaine and heroin based ecstacy, bill?

 

that was quite a perfect way to say it. i have questions too... concerning your concept of channels being built in your brain, when you take acid do you think its possible you build multiple new channels in your brain as opposed to one? ie every time you drink its relatively the same feeling, same with speed and coke.


i mean it would make sense to me that the "brain damage" caused by lsd is really just having too many channels opened in the mind. or not so much that even, but being convinced of a reality that is too different from society's reality to be compatable

 

That is almost the exact definition of schizophrenia, which, as I'm sure you already know, cannot be caused by LSD but can be potentiated by LSD. Meaning that LSD can bring symptoms of a pre-existing schizophrenic disorder or other mental disorders to the surface. LSD has been proven to have absolutely zero negative effects on mental health when used with moderation and resposibility and without a family history of mental disorders and/or pre-existing mental disorders that the person ingesting the cid may already be experiencing.

 

yeh but we are talkin chronic use. i read some study somewhere that talked about people who had taken lots daily for over a year... they were normal functional people on teh outside but on the inside they portrayed some.. unusual.. traits lol. but only some of the chicks got violent, when they got nervous and threatened, they lashed out apparently. but thats pretty mild.

in terms of channels, its a very simplistic view, theres lots of differnet types of channels and they work in different ways, but it works for general discussion of drug influences on mind. alchohol however doesnt work on channel things at all, if anything it just shuts them down over chronic drinkning, leading to the memory problems alchoholics have thats much worse than stoners.

however, schizophenia is an actual disease, its just the method of classing people in mental disorders uses stupid systems like using definitions like those to somehow diagnose a physical disease. its a shortcut to the problems, damn psychiatrists

as for cocaine and heroin based ecstacy.. well then it wouldnt be much different to the effects of being seperate though taking lots of drugs at once does have worse effects on your brain than taking them seperately.

 

i don't know i would say it definitely opens up a new channel, which would be one through whcih unrealieased emotions/animal instincts are released. i mean i've seen friends blackouit, and when that happens its like they are a new person. no sense of reason, blabbering, uncontrollable anger and violence. i think blacking out is an example of switching totally to this channel, to a degree that one can't use his/her resources of mind to stop themselves. like this kid seriously major personality shift when he drinks its scary

 

Inhalents are for sure number one, second would be meth, third would probably be heroin, the others would be harder to judge in order.

 

heroin doesnt cause brain damage.

i dont know why opinion has anything to do with this issue. its not a matter of opinion, its a matter of what we have scientific evidence to support. there is not a grain of evidence to suggest opiates cause any kind of brain damage, so why would heroin even be on the list? heroin is actually a fairly safe drug if used in moderation, its the patterns and styles of use that are associated with heroin that are unsafe, and even then it doesnt cause brain damage.

 

hmm ... like, where do you get this from? a lot of things cause a lot of free-radical "damage" but i don't know why n2o is one that you really need to consider. i know it depletes b12 but it only becomes an issue with heavy users. i gather that with light use, it's not something you need to really even consider.

peee-uhe my boots smell funky!

 

I don't konw if this counts, but using 'needle drugs' like herion, meth, or even cocaine puts you at a great risk for a bunch of disease, primarily AIDS that have a brain-wasting tendancy.
I voted for weed because no one else did, and I'm just like that.

 

if you're worried about brain damage, stop eating Doritos like a fiend.

you know you do it.



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haha oh god... i never thought of the ridicule that i could inflict upon anti-drug people thanks to msg.

 

Ecstasy pills never contain heroin or coke. I guess people don't really know too much about the price of any of these drugs. Ecstasy pills are cut with stuff that is CHEAPER than ecstasy. Like ephedrine, ampthetamine, methamphetamine, caffeine, etc. This is how the underground drug market works, maximize profits any way you can because there is no agency controlling what is illegal in the first place.

Like nesta pointed out, heroin doesn't cause brain damage. In fact if you were a chemist extracting morphine and then making it into high purity heroin, and you didn't stop doing it, you'd have virtually no physical health problems. The only reasons needle drugs lead to spread of disease is because people use dirty needles, and most of the time people willing to use dirty needles to get high are the type of people who live dirty lives.

 

then you have the issues of using dirty needles, using impure heroin (as most users do), snorting will cause some physical problems as well...all sorts of things.

i've got to say that heroin interests me a lot, but i'm really unsure of how addictive it REALLY honestly is compared to other opiates, plus you never know how pure it is. i wouldnt want to take it with a needle or insufflate it either, the only way i'd do it would be orally. oral opiates are more than strong enough for me as it is. either way i'm scared of heroin even though i know its a rediculous stigma (well, sort of), and i've got an addictive personality and so on, and i wouldnt be able to accurately measure out an oral dose, so, no, i'm never going to do heroin.

but thats not to say the prospect of getting pure, pharmaceutical grade heroin pills wouldn't intrigue me, i know this is never going to happen though. anyway, its for the best that i not even try. but the only way i'd do opiates other than orally would be to smoke actual opium, and even there i've never gotten anything but fake opium, so i'd have to grow my own poppies, etc. etc.

anyway, yeah, opiates dont cause brain damage, but using them in an unsafe manner CAN cause other kinds of damage, and any addictive drug, when you lose control, can damage your life in nonphysical ways.

 

yeh some people WANT other drugs in their E and thats how they get tehre. but heroin and coke could be acuired for cheaper than E? surely.. at least heroin lol

as for alchohol and the channels, no, when people balck out its because they simply have no control over their actions, they dont think things they wouldnt normally think subconciosusly, there is just less of a buffer between conscious and unconscious thoughts directing flow. this is where the whole idea of channels in teh brain goes askew when you dont take into account whats actually going on

 

stupid inhalents u find in ur garage are the worst.. ive done alot of drugs alot of which people look down upon like crack for instance.. but i wouldnt touch inhalents but if someone threw a rock at me at id have to contemplate a little bit. inhalents are just dumb and it sucks for kids that dont have access to pot and mushrooms.. things that kids should be experimenting w/ and have to resort to inhalents or or there moms otc medicinces like coriciden

 

so are you on crack now? because it would appear you can't even muster up the capability to form coherent sentences.

 

Well no i havn't smoked crack in quite some time, so i guess that can't be the reason for my incoherent sentences. Apparently the only justification i have for that is simply my own stupidity, which i am sorry if it offended you. Next time I guess it would be who of me to "muster" up a little more literacy for your sake.

 

be who of me?

 

The only reason people think heroin is cheap is because you only hear about garbage black tar. Raw heroin costs a serious amount of dough, as something like 10 mg's will fuck you up. Dime bags of trash have a lot more in them than dime bags of raw stuff. So you cut it and sell it to junkies and make a hell of a lot of money. Rolls are 5 dollars a pop here I mean, come on. They are not cut with heroin or coke, it is a myth. To the poster above saying he finds lots of pills cut with h or coke, sounds like complete bullshit to me. What prints were they? What part of the country did this happen in?

 

There were some Mitsubishi rolls going around Geaorgia last year that contained heroin and recently there have been some triple stack Superman rolls that contain coke. There were a few others but can't remember their names. I have have only recently had my first experience with ecstasy, but I hang out with people who have been rolling for years.